6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Guessing Urban goes to USC then he can have more hot chicks grind up on him

10 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Oh I know Lurie's obsession. And you're probably right he'll go hard after one. I just think it would be the wrong move at this time. 

I think it depends. There’s flaws in the we just build the team up and eventually get a Qb when the team is built. ideally that is the best way to do it but it’s not without potential downfalls. such as:

— you don’t hit on those picks and miss out on a QB. double whammy 

— you might not love any QB trade market or draft the following year and now waiting another year 

— QB you covet in the draft you can’t acquire cause not picking high enough and don’t have the necessary assets to trade up to get the QB.

— teams ahead of you in the following draft covet same QB and don’t want to trade back. You miss out on QB  

— QB trade market isn’t nearly as good as those 3 we potentially talked about or don’t have the assets (after this offseason) necessary to make the move 

like i said ideally you want to build the team up and then go get your QB. However it’s not like that plan couldn’t fail for multiple reasons as well as getting your QB and not having a good enough team around him. 

i believe Lurie views getting a franchise QB (again has to be if hurts fails which is unknown— frankly i wonder when they play Jets, Washington twice and giants twice late season if he’ll call those games fools’ gold type of games due to bad opponents) is a game changing type thing for the franchise that could changing the entire direction of the organization. I would bet if you asked him the drafting of wentz is what he believes kick started their ascend to the SB 

 

14 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Sirianni's offense seems to be OK. Guys are open, we've been able to move the ball, we've been able to hit on deep shots and dink and dunk stuff. There's been some missed opportunities for sure, but the one area that really needs to improve is the red zone. It's been a complete train wreck down there. The lack of running is a side issue, I'd be more concerned if we were just going 3 and out constantly passing, but that's not the case. Where the lack of running really hurts (no pun intended) is in the RZ. There's no flow, and Sanders isn't a bruiser to begin with who can just hammer it between the tackles. Even with all of that said, there's still been plays to make in the RZ, Ward and Goedert this past week come to mind. 

The other issue, and perhaps this goes hand in hand with the RZ issues, is Sirianni's situational awareness seems lacking. Taking a TO to then kick a FG on 4th and short in the RZ last week, instead of just taking a 5 yard penalty was dumb. I read that Hurts had called the TO, but whatever, both need to be aware of the situation. Obviously the penalties are a huge issue. Clean up the penalties, and improve in RZ efficiency, and this team isn't as bad as it looks IMO. 

Sirianni confirmed that Hurts took the time out and that he, thinking there had been a delay of game penalty, called for a FG.  Sirianni confirmed he was late getting in the play call. I do think players are getting open but it doesn't much matter if Hurts can't make the play.  

2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

LOL this is backwards thinking. You have to get a franchise QB to even start talking about contending. Yes the Defense needs help. BUt it starts witha  franchise QB, and since there are less of 32 of them, you have to get one when you have the chance.  PERIOD. No matter the capital. 

Oh? How many supposed franchise QBs have gone to horrible franchises and completely flamed out of the league with this thinking? It's a balancing act between building an ENTIRE roster and using appropriate resources to find your QB. You shouldn't go all or nothing in either direction. But the state of our roster, we need help at every single defensive position. And not just help, but like FEMA level assistance (if FEMA was competent). 

7 hours ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Interesting tidbit...

Andy Reid beat the Chiefs all three times when he was the coach of the Eagles and beat the Eagles all three times when he was the coach of the Chiefs.

Now the only person he has left to beat,,,, is himself.

18 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Firing Urban is the easy part , it’s how to settle that huge contract 

You think it may have a morals clause.  I would hope it does. 

8 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Sirianni confirmed that Hurts took the time out and that he, thinking there had been a delay of game penalty, called for a FG.  Sirianni confirmed he was late getting in the play call. I do think players are getting open but it doesn't much matter if Hurts can't make the play.  

I brought this up in the Dallas game. It was idiotic and stupid not to run more in that game. However even if they tried to run at some point Dallas is going to adjust their defense knowing that we can’t make the throws and sell out to stop the run. So at some point in time your quarterback has to be able to make the throws to have your offense consistently stay on the field. At halftime of the chiefs/eagles game, the eagles had 24 drop backs (3 of the 4 hurts runs weren’t designed runs) and 8 called runs. That’s still 75% pass plays to 25% run. The reason why the offense was moving the ball much better was because Jalen hurts played much better and was making the necessary passes. Whereas in Dallas he couldn’t hit the broadside of a barn. 

only way sirianni’s offense is going to work is if hurts can make the necessary and routine throws. Even if they try to establish the run if he can’t do that teams are selling out to stop the run and forcing him to throw to beat them. 

Slater  has been impressive for a rookie 

 

 

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think it depends. There’s flaws in the we just build the team up and eventually get a Qb when the team is built. ideally that is the best way to do it but it’s not without potential downfalls. such as:

— you don’t hit on those picks and miss out on a QB. double whammy 

— you might not love any QB trade market or draft the following year and now waiting another year 

— QB you covet in the draft you can’t acquire cause not picking high enough and don’t have the necessary assets to trade up to get the QB.

— teams ahead of you in the following draft cover same QB and don’t want to trade back. You miss out on QB  

— QB trade market isn’t nearly as good as those 3 we potentially talked about or don’t have the assets (after this offseason) necessary to make the move 

like i said ideally you want to build the team up and then go get your QB. However it’s not like that plan couldn’t fail for multiple reasons as well as getting your QB and not having a good enough team around him. 

i believe Lurie views getting a franchise QB (again has to be if hurts fails which is unknown— frankly i wonder when they play Jets, Washington twice and giants twice late season if he’ll call those games fools’ gold type of games due to bad opponents) is a game changing type thing for the franchise that could changing the entire direction of the organization. I would bet if you asked him the drafting of wentz is what he believes kick starter their ascend to the SB 

 

Yeah neither plan is foolproof. There's pitfalls to both sides, for sure. I think a lot also depends on where our picks fall in this draft, and what talent is there to taken. I'll pound the table as long as I can for some combo of Thibodeaux/Stingley/Hamilton, with my preference being Hamilton first, then Thibodeaux, then Stingley. I think any combo of two of those guys instantly improves our defense significantly. All 3 would be a goddamn revelation. The funny thing, as good as those 3 are, we would still have a gaping hole the size of Jupiter at LB. 

Let's say we give up 3 picks to get 1 QB. Where does that really put us overall? 

My preference for the team is to use this next year to really go with a full youth movement across the roster, ignoring WR, TE (even if Goedert/Ertz go), and RB. I would be fine to have Hurts/Minshew back next year, as our cap situation should improve in the years that follow. Once we have some talent on the roster, then go as hard as you need to for a QB, thru the draft or thru trade/FA. 

 

1 minute ago, DireWolf said:

OMG. You literally understand , and I'm not Andy's agent,  Andy won the AFC last year. Right ? 

Like I've tried to say this is so Zany , Graham Chapman wouldn't even be able to keep up with the script. 

 

Graham Chapman is now for someone completely different. 

Let's update on where we are at with Hurts and other first and 2nd year QBs this season:

 

Herbert, 19 career starts: 68.9%, 1,178 yards, 9 TD passes, 3 INT, 7.2 YPA, 100.1 QB rating, 15 rushing yards and 0 rushing TDs. 

Burrow: 14 career starts: 72.9%, 988 yards, 9 TD, 4 INT, 9.2 YPA, 113.8 QB rating. 9 rushing yards and 0 rushing TDs. 

Tua: 11 career starts: 54.8%, 215 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 6.9 YPA, 74.0 QB rating, 4 rushing yards and 1 rushing TD. 

Hurts, 8 career starts: 66.2%, 1,167 yards, 7 TD passes, 2 INT, 8.0 YPA, 101.1 QB rating, 226 rushing yards and 1 rushing TD. 

Lawrence, 4 career starts: 57.0%, 873 yards, 5 TD, 7 INT. 6.1 YPA, 66.4 QB rating. 82 rushing yards and 1 rushing TD. 

Wilson, 4 career starts: 56.8%, 925 yards, 4 TD, 8 INT, 6.7 YPA. 62.8 QB rating, 19 rushing yards and 0 rushing TD. 

Jones, 4 career starts: 70.0%, 1,012 yards, 4 TD, 4 INT, 6.3 YPA, 84.7 QB rating, 27 rushing yards and 0 rushing TD. 

Fields, 2 career starts: 48.1%, 347 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT, 6.7 YPA. 53.9 QB rating, 55 rushing yards and 1 rushing TD. 

 

 

SUMMARY: Hurts has 4th most career starts, 4th best completion % this season, 2nd most passing yards this season, 3rd most passing TDs this season, fewest INTs among those who have started 4 games this season, 2nd highest YPA this season, 2nd highest QB rating this season, most rushing yards and tied for most rushing TDs this season. 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I brought this up in the Dallas game. It was idiotic and stupid not to run more in that game. However even if they tried to run at some point Dallas is going to adjust their defense knowing that we can’t make the throws and sell out to stop the run. So at some point in time your quarterback hast to be able to make the throes to have your offense consistently stay on the field. At halftime of the chiefs/eagles game, the eagles had 24 drop backs (3 of the 4 hurts runs weren’t designed runs) and 8 called runs. That’s still 75% pass plays to 25% run. The reason why the offense was moving the ball much better was because Jalen hurts played much better and was making the necessary passes. Whereas in Dallas he couldn’t hit the broadside of a barn. 

only way sirianni’s offense is going to work is if hurts can always the necessary and routine throws. Even if they try to establish the run if he can’t do that teams are selling out to stop the run and forcing him too. 

I mean the thing is against Dallas is they had a significant advantage up front in terms of size.  They could have had success with power runs and also having Hurts, Watkins, Smith, Reagor and even Goedert should allow you to be more creative in the running game.  The lack of real creativity has been disappointing.  

1 minute ago, Original Sin said:

Slater  has been impressive for a rookie 

 

 

@4for4EaglesNest i said i wouldn’t have been thrilled (it wouldn’t have been the sexy pick) with slater but i agreed with you that i thought he would be a really good OL. I’m still shocked Carolina with how bad their oline was last year didn’t try to trade back or just select him at 8. I liked horn but carolina’s oline after acquiring darnold was still bad. Still don’t think it’s good. 

12 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Sirianni confirmed that Hurts took the time out and that he, thinking there had been a delay of game penalty, called for a FG.  Sirianni confirmed he was late getting in the play call. I do think players are getting open but it doesn't much matter if Hurts can't make the play.  

Yes I know. My issue is there should be awareness from Hurts about the situation. Without re-watching the game, my initial impression was Hurts was getting to the line with about 10 seconds left on the play clock. I noted Mahomes seemed to get up there with about 15-20 seconds left. Getting up to the line at 10 seconds is a problem. You don't have enough time to make adjustments and get the snap off without hurrying up. It's a problem they need to fix, and that's on Sirianni/Steichen. 

But, Hurts awareness is poor. Passing up receivers who are wide open for deeper options (it's happened in a few games), and taking the TO there was dumb. Coaches got the play in late, it's on them if you can't get it off on time. If Sirianni wanted a TO he would've called it himself. Just take the penalty and kick the FG like you did anyway. 

27 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Sirianni's offense seems to be OK. Guys are open, we've been able to move the ball, we've been able to hit on deep shots and dink and dunk stuff. There's been some missed opportunities for sure, but the one area that really needs to improve is the red zone. It's been a complete train wreck down there. The lack of running is a side issue, I'd be more concerned if we were just going 3 and out constantly passing, but that's not the case. Where the lack of running really hurts (no pun intended) is in the RZ. There's no flow, and Sanders isn't a bruiser to begin with who can just hammer it between the tackles. Even with all of that said, there's still been plays to make in the RZ, Ward and Goedert this past week come to mind. 

The other issue, and perhaps this goes hand in hand with the RZ issues, is Sirianni's situational awareness seems lacking. Taking a TO to then kick a FG on 4th and short in the RZ last week, instead of just taking a 5 yard penalty was dumb. I read that Hurts had called the TO, but whatever, both need to be aware of the situation. Obviously the penalties are a huge issue. Clean up the penalties, and improve in RZ efficiency, and this team isn't as bad as it looks IMO. 

Regarding running in the RZ, both of Gainwell's TD were off a wide 2x2 split, where it was 5v6 in the box with a running QB.  We should take that every time, although probably only effective outside the 5 yard line.

The explanation for the FG on Sunday, even though it's frustrating, makes sense.  The problem would have been avoided with a quicker play call.  That's the problem to solve, and it should with more experience.  The announcers last night commented on the Staley's aggressiveness and the need to be prepared to do so.  Sirianni needs to have his 4th down play in the chamber.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

@4for4EaglesNest i said i wouldn’t have been thrilled (it wouldn’t have been the sexy pick) with slater but i agreed with you that i thought he would be a really good OL. I’m still shocked Carolina with how bad their oline was last year didn’t try to trade back or just select him at 8. I liked horn but carolina’s oline after acquiring darnold was still bad. Still don’t think it’s good. 

Horn got injured for the year too didn't he? Obviously not something they could have seen happening, but still 

JJAW and Chachere have been really great on ST. I know you obviously hope a 2nd round pick turns into more than a ST ace....but nothing to be done about that now. It's nice to see our ST unit seems to be well coached and has some talent (Siposs team MVP obviously, and Elliot has been good, especially on that botched snap this week). 

13 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I mean the thing is against Dallas is they had a significant advantage up front in terms of size.  They could have had success with power runs and also having Hurts, Watkins, Smith, Reagor and even Goedert should allow you to be more creative in the running game.  The lack of real creativity has been disappointing.  

Even having a significant size advantage at some point Dallas is going to adjust and sell out to stop the run. If your quarterbacks not able to make simple routine throws (and there were a ton of simple routine throws in that game that we’re just completely off or miss) your offense is destined to stall and fail. It is a league of adjustment and taking a strength away and forcing you to beat them with a weakness or supposed weakness. That is an easy adjustment for Dallas to make and take that aspect away from you and force you to do what you couldn’t do that day. That was always going to happen.

The difference between the Chiefs and the Dallas game was simply hurts making better decisions with a ball and hitting a lot More of those routine throws and open receivers. That was a major difference in the offense to start that game because we really didn’t overly commit to the run when it was 75/25 pass to run at halftime and the chiefs are one of the worst rush defenses in the league.

10 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Horn got injured for the year too didn't he? Obviously not something they could have seen happening, but still 

I actually really liked horn. He was my favorite corner in this draft. I just thought with how they traded for darnold that if you’re going to go with him as your Qb that you better protect him unlike the Jets did. Ans carolina’s oline was bottom 5 five last year and to carolina’s credit they made adjustments so they could be functional with bridgewater. As the season went on the oline damn eventually broke and bridgewater regressed/got hurt 

Darnold showing this year he’s way better than he was with the Jets. I still think they need to upgrade that oline because if they did with their ability to scheme I think they could really take off. Imo the reason why their offense stalls at times for long stretches in games because they’re oline doesn’t hold up very well over the course of the game. They begin getting beat more and darnold has to scramble to keep Plays alive. 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I actually really liked horn. He was my favorite corner in this draft. I just thought with how they traded for darnold that if you’re going to go with him as your Qb that you better protect him unlike the Jets did. Ans carolina’s oline was bottom 5 five last year and to carolina’s credit they made adjustments so they could be functional with bridgewater. As the season went on the oline damn eventually broke and bridgewater regressed/got hurt 

Darnold showing this year he’s way better than he was with the Jets. I still think they need to upgrade that oline because if they did with their ability to scheme I think they could really take off. Imo the reason why their offense stalls at times for long stretches in games because they’re oline doesn’t hold up very well over the course of the game. They begin getting beat more and darnold has to scramble to keep Plays alive. 

Totally agree. I argued ad nauseum with my buddy who's a Falcons fan, that they should have taken either Slater or Sewell. He was too enamored with Pitts though. 

For all the faults Lurie has, I do appreciate that he clearly understands the importance of both o and d lines. Both can mask other roster stenches if built well. 

32 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

LOL

 No one said there were going to win with this roster.

Not having a franchise QB means no matter how good the roster is, you  most likely aren't winning a SB anyway. 

It's the chicken and the egg, but here is the key, there are less than 32 Franchise QB's, meaning there will always be teams without one. Those teams are perrennial no shows. SInce there is less than 32 , when you have the opportunity to get one, YOU HAVE TO TRY TO GET THEM. PERIOD. Or you can be a perrennial loser. 

With what?  A big contract offer the Eagles can't afford, or draft capital that needs to be used to build a defense?

How did GB get Rodgers?  HOU get Watson?  SEA get Wilson?  LAC get Herbert?  BUF get Josh Allen?  They drafted them and developed them.  That is the path.  

9 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Let me stop you right there.

This isnt Siranni's offense. He admitted he had to go out and learn RPO setups, spoke to numerous resources and had to build a playbook for Hurts. 

Now this could be seen as a positive as the ball does move up and down the field(terrible in the redzone) and it shows he can bend to his players "strengths" (which Doug was terrible at) 

But at the end of the day, I FULLY expect Hurts not to be here next year and I 10000000% think this offense will look totally different next year. 

Maybe it looks different next year, I don't know. I know that right now, he is scheming guys open, and plays are there to be made. And I think it's excellent that he went out and learned about RPOs to add them to his knowledge base. From a play design perspective, so far, Sirianni has a passing grade. His situational awareness, insane amount of penalties, and somewhat cowardly 4th down choices leave a lot to be desired. 

8 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

If you have a terrible defense the best game plan is to keep them off the field

If your playing a high powered offense(chiefs and Cowboys) your best game plan is to keep them off the field

Arguable the biggest home run hitter on your offense is the running back

You have a quasi rookie QB, you should be slowly dipping his toes into the water

Siriani has done the complete opposite and it's almost malpractice at this point. 

 

Yup.  Run the ball behind four backups.  Sanders was 7/13.

And Sirianni's malpractice put up 461 yards of offense.  More than Cleveland and LAC did against this defense.

 

I'm not sold on Hurts.  But running for the sake of running would be malpractice.

 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

With what?  A big contract offer the Eagles can't afford, or draft capital that needs to be used to build a defense?

How did GB get Rodgers?  HOU get Watson?  SEA get Wilson?  LAC get Herbert?  BUF get Josh Allen?  They drafted them and developed them.  That is the path.  

Yep. If a QB they love falls into their laps in this draft, then by all means pull the trigger and let's see what we get. But I think we would be set back so much farther if we trade our 2 firsts this year plus anything else to get a guy that you just don't know what he'll be.

39 minutes ago, downundermike said:

That is all part of the original 10.05 million for his fifth year option.  They just moved 7 million to next year when they restructured.  It does not change the total cap dollars the Eagles will spend on him.

Which makes no sense. We got under the cap. If sweat was the extension target and barnett will obviously walk get that damn money off the books now