18 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Has dillard proven to be as good as mailata at LT? I don’t think he has. Why am i Moving mailata long term to RT to make way for dillard who hasn’t proven to be nearly good at LT as mailata. There’s a reason the eagles chose him to be the starting LT and pay him rather than going forward with dillard at LT.  Also dillard Hasn’t stayed healthy for an entire year. And has been solid and competent. But not as good as mailata. I can understand if for a week with lane out cause it’s your best option but not long term  

i never said doug didn’t. Mailata is much closer to being a pro bowl caliber LT than dillard is at the moment. So it’s a given dillard becomes a pro bowl LT? That’s less likely than what mailata has shown. 

If we want to play hypotheticals what happens if dillard is just competent and not as great as mailata at LT. And mailata isn’t as good at Rt. 

my personal feeling if dillard was playing great I’d be all for it. However i trust stoutland to get a guy he likes the next two drafts, develop him to play RT. And keep mailata at LT where i think he’s an upgrade over dillard. And i won’t have to overpay dillard who likely ask for more than what vaitai got when he’s not been all that much better than vaitai so far in his career. 

Seems to me that you are being a bit old fashioned about LT v RT.  How many snaps has Hurts taken under center, where he turns his back to the line of scrimmage in play action?  The LT just isn’t guarding the QB’s blindside any more.  RT is as important as LT.  Heck, with Hurts tendency to throw right and run right, maybe more so.  

Now as I understand it, you propose if Mailata is healthy, play him at LT, play Herbig at RG and play Driscoll at RT.  Are you suggesting that Driscoll is a better RT than Mailata?  I don’t think so.  Frankly, I think Mailata has been almost as good at RT as he has at LT.  I don’t think it is pro bowl quality yet, but as good as Orlando Brown, a similarly sized man with less athleticism. 

As I see it, right now the two best tackles for the Eagles are Dillard and Mailata.  Johnson hasn’t been his old self yet and currently is unavailable. You don’t sit one of them if you don’t have to do so and with Mailata’s ability to switch sides, why would you want to do so.  Further, that gives you the ability to play Driscoll, one of the top reserves at a position he may be best suited for.  Further, that allows them to sit Herbig, the back up C.  You may not have noticed but Kelce has been on the injured list now for a few weeks. Last week all three Cs were starting on the line.  Not ideal.

We all thought that at some point Johnson was destined to be moved to LT, because that is where your best OL goes.  Not really nowadays.  RT is as important as LT.

2 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Cant be true, people were calling Nick a liar because Lane wasn't there yet when he said he would be at some point in the day.... The day ends at noon you fool!

I meant more the "from taking care of". That implies whatever it was is over, but his status to play is up in the air. It kind of fits some baseless rumors floating out there in the Twitter world. 

27 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Hurts fled the pocket

Hurts threw the ball where Quez was closest to it, probably to draw the attention of the back judge. 

6 minutes ago, downundermike said:

And Jalen Hurts is in his 2nd, and has more starts than Dillard.  So people need to quit saying he is and comparing him to actual rookies.

 

More evidence of Jalen Hurts living rent free in your head it seems.  I don't see anyone in this thread calling him a rookie, only you and others whining about it.  

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

I meant more the "from taking care of". That implies whatever it was is over, but his status to play is up in the air. It kind of fits some baseless rumors floating out there in the Twitter world. 

I was talking about the people that thought the day ends at noon. We shall come to an agreement over 2 different things lol

23 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Because when your QB flees the pocket he becomes a runner. DB"s can make any contact they want at the point with WR's even though the QB is still behind the LOS. 

He wasn’t past the line of scrimmage. 

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

Hurts threw the ball where Quez was closest to it, probably to draw the attention of the back judge. 

Yea but when he flees the pocket DB's have the green light to push the WR out of bounds or knock them to the ground. 

Just now, BigEFly said:

He wasn’t past the line of scrimmage. 

He doesn't have to be. All he has to do is leave the pocket. 

7 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

More evidence of Jalen Hurts living rent free in your head it seems.  I don't see anyone in this thread calling him a rookie, only you and others whining about it.  

You just had a long post comparing him to Lawrence, Fields, Wilson, Jones and Lance.

11 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Seems to me that you are being a bit old fashioned about LT v RT.  How many snaps has Hurts taken under center, where he turns his back to the line of scrimmage in play action?  The LT just isn’t guarding the QB’s blindside any more.  RT is as important as LT.  Heck, with Hurts tendency to throw right and run right, maybe more so.  

Now as I understand it, you propose if Mailata is healthy, play him at LT, play Herbig at RG and play Driscoll at RT.  Are you suggesting that Driscoll is a better RT than Mailata?  I don’t think so.  Frankly, I think Mailata has been almost as good at RT as he has at LT.  I don’t think it is pro bowl quality yet, but as good as Orlando Brown, a similarly sized man with less athleticism. 

As I see it, right now the two best tackles for the Eagles are Dillard and Mailata.  Johnson hasn’t been his old self yet and currently is unavailable. You don’t sit one of them if you don’t have to do so and with Mailata’s ability to switch sides, why would you want to do so.  Further, that gives you the ability to play Driscoll, one of the top reserves at a position he may be best suited for.  Further, that allows them to sit Herbig, the back up C.  You may not have noticed but Kelce has been on the injured list now for a few weeks. Last week all three Cs were starting on the line.  Not ideal.

We all thought that at some point Johnson was destined to be moved to LT, because that is where your best OL goes.  Not really nowadays.  RT is as important as LT.

I’m not moving a guy who’s playing better than dillard at LT because dillard is merely competent at LT but can’t learn to play right tackle. Again if mailata is somehow not as good at RT i am then downgrading his best ability and downgrading at LT. Until dillard proves he’s better than mailata at LT and not just merely competent i am not committing to Moving mailata to RT long term. If dillard gets there then I’ll have that convo. 

Im fine doing it for a week as Driscoll is better at RG (Kaye ha reported that’s where stout likes him at). And i agree currently they are the best two tackles. I never said start Driscoll at RT. I’m fine dillard and mailata at LT and RT for this week. I’m talking long term. I’m not talking for a week.  

however I’m not fine just assuming we will plug in dillard at LT he will be as good as mailata and then mailata will just automatically be as good at RT long term. Again dillard has yet to prove he can stay healthy for 17 games (got banged up his rookie year and missed all last year), he’s also yet to prove with more and more film on him that he can adjust to what defensive coordinators will do and jury is still out about how good of a run blocker he is over time cause here and Wazzu he hasn’t done enough of it. 

my belief is the eagles keep mailata at LT, instead of paying dillard who i dont think is going to be worth what he’s asking for at LT in his second contract will draft another tackle and allow stoutland to groom him to play RT and eventually take over for lane  

 

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

You just had a long post comparing him to Lawrence, Fields, Wilson, Jones and Lance.

 

Did I compare him only to those players?  No, I didn't.

 

I compared him to all 1st & 2nd year QBs who have had starts.  

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

however I’m not fine just assuming we will plug in dillard at LT he will be as good as mailata and then mailata will just automatically be as good at RT long term

I'm kind of responsible for strating this whole I'm not getting rid of Dillard if he is playing well. However, I'm with you that we don't  move Mailata if he is playing at an all pro level at LT just to see if Dillard can play at a pro bowl level at LT. 

I still say keep Dillard for depth and maybe see if he can be groomed into a decent RT but it has to start now. 

41 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Speaking of Quez.  He was injured on a cheap shot where the KC DB hit him through the back of the end zone well before the ball arrived. Flabbergasted the back judge didn’t see that.  

Hurts was running around out of the pocket at the time.  The push was legal.

13 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Hurts threw the ball where Quez was closest to it, probably to draw the attention of the back judge. 

He was already on the ground by then.  It wasnt a penalty.  It was the proper noncall.

12 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

He wasn’t past the line of scrimmage. 

Doesnt matter.  Out of the pocket is the rule.

The Watkins push is at 17:47

Hurts clearly out of the pocket. The push was well before the throw was released so not DPI. No call was the right call. Why Hurts threw it there? No idea unless he thought it would draw a penalty. 

I'm probably late but just saw this

Starting to think it's family related. Hope everyone is ok

12 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I'm kind of responsible for strating this whole I'm not getting rid of Dillard if he is playing well. However, I'm with you that we don't  move Mailata if he is playing at an all pro level at LT just to see if Dillard can play at a pro bowl level at LT. 

I still say keep Dillard for depth and maybe see if he can be groomed into a decent RT but it has to start now. 

I’m fine training dillard and seeing if he can play right tackle in time. I don’t think he’s completely useless but i also don’t think he is ever going to live up the expectations some had for him. I think like some who just want to see him fail which is extreme that the other side is also extreme with just the opposite direction. Both things can be true. 

My point is i don’t like moving guys in hopes dillard can be as good at LT as mailata and then hoping mailata doesn’t have issues at RT for the long term. So we have to shuffle the oline around to cater to a guy who’s been unreliable with injuries, has had past demons with not loving the game and might just not be as good as mailata at LT  

i view it this way, in two years if dillard is just competent at LT and mailata is good at RT, you want to pay dillard more than what vaitai got for just competent level play? Cause increase cap and increased salaries that’ll happen. i have stoutland who’s great at developing talent and could draft a cheaper and probably also talented tackle to give me competency (if that’s all we are looking for is merely being competent) and keep mailata playing at a high level at LT. And save the money with dillard. Imo unless dillard becomes good-great and proves it the next 2.5 years (not two games), i think the best option is trusting stoutland to pick a successor at RT in the next couple drafts and groom him then paying big money to dillard unless he is good/great

Bullet dodged 

14 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Did I compare him only to those players?  No, I didn't.

 

I compared him to all 1st & 2nd year QBs who have had starts.  

My apologies.  Confused your post with @Random Reglar's post in the Jalen Hurts thread.

32 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

To be fair Cox hasn’t been as impactful last few years. I’d say Hargrave is teams best player currently

I would disagree.  Last weekend he was coming off illness yet was double teamed 71% of the time.  He is planned for by the OC every week.  I read the quotes from Cox, not the headline. I don’t think he is challenging the change but rather embracing it.  He is still playing mostly 3 technique. He is playing some quasi 3/4 "DE” in the 4 gap, or 4i as he identified it.  I think some 3/4 hybrids were planned by Gannon ala what the Ravens do and Belichek does.  With Johnson and Avery or if Kerrigan was the Kerrigan we thought we were getting as OLBs.   Graham would have done well in the stand up role.  The thought was probably Marlon T as the NT with Williams in the three gap. Now he needs a decent MIKE to play whichever gap the NT doesn’t take.  I like some of Gannon’s ideas but he just doesn’t have the horses.  Cox in the 4 gap should limit the double teams if the NT is any good.  

Regarding Dillard, initially I thought he’d be a good trade deadline mid season type trade. And maybe so for a team needing a LT in playoff contention. But it’d probably be better at looking to trade him in the off-season. 

How is that even possible.  

 

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

How is that even possible.  

 

Eagles only have over 4,000 once thanks to Carson. Over 30 TD's only happened here three times. 

2 hours ago, greend said:

Pffft, some of us are natural eaters. I learned to use chopsticks while on vacation because there was no other option. Use em like a champ now.

fat arse

6 minutes ago, downundermike said:

How is that even possible.  

 

It's windy there.

Over-simplistic ... but it's probably the last place I'd want to work if I was an NFL QB.  That division was always the black-and-blue division partly because of climate; much easier to develop a mashing, pounding offense than a throw it all over the yard one because of conditions

10 minutes ago, downundermike said:

How is that even possible.  

 

Well up until 2019 that was our misery. Except the 30 touchdowns.