15 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

You must also dream in cartoon and crap rainbows to believe that could ever happen. What will happen is another mirage against bad teams and another ass kicking round 1 of the playoffs.

I didn't say it was likely to happen. I didn't even imply it. I don't believe they'll win fifteen games this year. And I don't think they'll win the Super Bowl. What I'm saying is if it were to happen and they go on to win the Super Bowl, it would be disastrous. Everyone would be celebrating along Broad Street in mid-February again, and I'll be laughing at them because they won't understand how devastating that really would be. 

2 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I didn't say it was likely to happen. I didn't even imply it. I don't believe they'll win fifteen games this year. And I don't think they'll win the Super Bowl. What I'm saying is if it were to happen and they go on to win the Super Bowl, it would be disastrous. Everyone would be celebrating along Broad Street in mid-February again, and I'll be laughing at them because they won't understand how devastating that really would be. 

Well, we'll have to watch videos of people eating horse crap again.

7 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

The worst thing that could happen to the Eagles this year is if Hurts plays well and leads them to a record of 15-2 or something like that and they go on to win the Super Bowl. It would set the franchise back for a decade because it would probably mean we would be stuck with Hurts for another ten years. We can’t have that.

Yes it would set them back. and I am not a Hurts guy, but I would take it

Matt Waldman's RSP Boiler Room No. 330 Kennedy Brooks (OU): The Mild-Mannered Magician - YouTube

He might be a surprise this season..

The last QB that got us a Super Bowl we let leave after another season, so I’m not really worried about being stuck with Hurts. 

7 hours ago, Infam said:

Matt Waldman's RSP Boiler Room No. 330 Kennedy Brooks (OU): The Mild-Mannered Magician - YouTube

He might be a surprise this season..

Eh, he's ok as a UDFA. I had quite a few guys I liked over him but yeah, maybe he will surprise me. I'd really like to get Hunt or Johnson from the Browns. Would like to bring Ty'Son Williams into camp for a look too. 

I’d Take Hopkins/Hollywood over Williams/Allen. Allen is consistent but he’s never been a dominant receiver, he’s been over 1200 yards once his whole career, and that was 5 years ago. 

Even after Injury I still believe Hopkins is the best WR in the league, and Hollywood is a more-than-suitable #2.

No mentions of Cupp Robinson either? Allen Robinson has been putting up legit seasons with absolute horse crap throwing to him for his whole career. Cupp is the current GOAT, that very well could be #1. Imagine Allen Robinson catching a 70 yard Staff Infection right on the numbers….

12 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I didn't say it was likely to happen. I didn't even imply it. I don't believe they'll win fifteen games this year. And I don't think they'll win the Super Bowl. What I'm saying is if it were to happen and they go on to win the Super Bowl, it would be disastrous. Everyone would be celebrating along Broad Street in mid-February again, and I'll be laughing at them because they won't understand how devastating that really would be. 

No, it would prove the unequivocal existence of miracles.

2 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

No, it would prove the unequivocal existence of miracles.

The eagles winning the super bowl would be disastrous, probably the worst take I’ll ever read on here and don’t care at all about the context. 

5 minutes ago, St0nedsk8er said:

The eagles winning the super bowl would be disastrous, probably the worst take I’ll ever read on here and don’t care at all about the context. 

I doubt either of us need to lose sleep over this.

 

Tony Buzbee seeks documents regarding NFL’s investigation of Deshaun Watson

Posted by Mike Florio on July 2, 2022, 1:34 PM EDT

This past week featured a three-day hearing regarding the league’s effort to discipline Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson. The four pending lawsuits against Watson were not completely forgotten.

Fox 8 in Cleveland reports that attorney Tony Buzbee filed paperwork on Friday seeking documents from the NFL regarding its investigation of Watson. Buzbee seeks among other things the transcript of the disciplinary hearing.

It’s fair game, especially since Watson’s testimony can be used in the civil litigation that Buzbee is pursuing. The materials also may contain others relevant information.

Regardless of whether and to what extent the league suspends Watson, the four pending cases will continue — along with any others that may still be filed. Watson officially has settled 20 of the cases. The others could settle, but Buzbee needs to proceed as if they won’t.

My thoughts:

Florio must have been a crappy attorney and he keeps falling for Buzbee’s grandstanding.  First, I am sure all personal behavior investigations are conducted under the auspices of the NFL legal department in anticipation of mandated arbitration, a legal procedure.  Hence such investigation should be attorney work product and protected by attorney client privilege.  Further the disciplinary process is an alternative dispute resolution procedure.  Texas law clearly states that such procedures and any information shared therein are confidential:

Sec. 154.053. STANDARDS AND DUTIES OF IMPARTIAL THIRD PARTIES. (a) A person appointed to facilitate an alternative dispute resolution procedure under this subchapter shall encourage and assist the parties in reaching a settlement of their dispute but may not compel or coerce the parties to enter into a settlement agreement.

(b) Unless expressly authorized by the disclosing party, the impartial third party may not disclose to either party information given in confidence by the other and shall at all times maintain confidentiality with respect to communications relating to the subject matter of the dispute.

(c) Unless the parties agree otherwise, all matters, including the conduct and demeanor of the parties and their counsel during the settlement process, are confidential and may never be disclosed to anyone, including the appointing court.

The CBA is subject to NY law (it has a choice of law clause therein) unless conflicting with Federal Law.  While the disciplinary hearing process does not clearly identify as arbitration in the CBA or the commissioner’s communication on the Personal Conduct Policy, it sure does set forth a legal process that mirrors arbitration.  Neither the Federal Arbitration Act nor CPLR 75, which sets forth NY law on arbitration, address confidentiality in proceedings.  (Although 28 USC Sec 652(d) does provide for local rules requiring confidentiality in the Federal Courts mediation process). Given that the CBA and Commissioner’s Communication on the Personal Conduct Policy set forth a goal of confidentiality for witnesses, and given that Watson’s behavior was subject to criminal investigation, I would be surprised if his lawyers did not insist on confidentiality.  (Not sure he can compel such but given that Buzbee made the Texans a party, can’t believe the Commissioner wouldn’t insist on such a provision from Robinson, herself a former Federal judge.). Courts have enforced confidentiality orders of arbitrators as though issued by judges. I never participated in a NY mediation or arbitration, including NY’s appellate mediations in front of appointed judges, that did not include a confidentiality agreements. I never participated in any Federal mediation that was not subject to confidentiality.    Most arbitrations I have participated in were subject to American Arbitration Association rules.  (Pretty standard.)

 Confidentiality
Subject to applicable law or the parties’ agreement, confidential information disclosed to a mediator by the parties or by other participants (witnesses) in the course of the mediation shall not be divulged by the mediator. The mediator shall maintain the confidentiality of all information obtained in the mediation, and all records, reports, or other documents received by a mediator while serving in that capacity shall be confidential.
The mediator shall not be compelled to divulge such records or to testify in regard to the mediation in any adversary proceeding or judicial forum.
The parties shall maintain the confidentiality of the mediation and shall not rely on, or introduce as evidence in any arbitral, judicial, or other proceeding the following, unless agreed to by the parties or required by applicable law:
(i) Views expressed or suggestions made by a party or other participant with respect to a possible settlement of the dispute;
(ii) Admissions made by a party or other participant in the course of the mediation proceedings;
(iii) Proposals made or views expressed by the mediator; or
(iv) The fact that a party had or had not indicated willingness to accept a proposal
for settlement made by the mediator.

Given that Texas has adopted the confidentiality provision of the Uniform Arbitration Act, I would be shocked if Buzbee’s attempt doesn’t go down in flames.  

@NCiggles Sure hope Florio wasn’t batting for your side or mine.  

Philadelphia is winning the dollar store Lombardi tonight, got a feeling.

On 7/1/2022 at 5:58 PM, Next_Up said:

Stop it with the feigned ignorance. In the past two pages he is criticized because he is friends with AJ Brown, has a Pepsi deal, etc. At this point everyone gets it. He is not a credible starting QB and has multiple shortcomings that he will likely not overcome. The fact that everything the kid does gets cast with some kind of negative light or made fun of is just stupid. He seems like a high quality person and one committed to doing well at his job but also has a body of work that shows a lot of limitations. Do we need to pray to the "Hurts has to fail" god every day because we are so afraid that he might have some success and doom the franchise to mediocrity? At this point, the horse isn't dead. It's somewhere integrated into the road beneath a pile of gum and a dead raccoon.

I agree, Hurts seems like a quality individual. My question - if Wentz had done the same thing in 2019, would he have been met with the same approval?

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

 

Tony Buzbee seeks documents regarding NFL’s investigation of Deshaun Watson

Posted by Mike Florio on July 2, 2022, 1:34 PM EDT

This past week featured a three-day hearing regarding the league’s effort to discipline Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson. The four pending lawsuits against Watson were not completely forgotten.

Fox 8 in Cleveland reports that attorney Tony Buzbee filed paperwork on Friday seeking documents from the NFL regarding its investigation of Watson. Buzbee seeks among other things the transcript of the disciplinary hearing.

It’s fair game, especially since Watson’s testimony can be used in the civil litigation that Buzbee is pursuing. The materials also may contain others relevant information.

Regardless of whether and to what extent the league suspends Watson, the four pending cases will continue — along with any others that may still be filed. Watson officially has settled 20 of the cases. The others could settle, but Buzbee needs to proceed as if they won’t.

My thoughts:

Florio must have been a crappy attorney and he keeps falling for Buzbee’s grandstanding.  First, I am sure all personal behavior investigations are conducted under the auspices of the NFL legal department in anticipation of mandated arbitration, a legal procedure.  Hence such investigation should be attorney work product and protected by attorney client privilege.  Further the disciplinary process is an alternative dispute resolution procedure.  Texas law clearly states that such procedures and any information shared therein are confidential:

Sec. 154.053. STANDARDS AND DUTIES OF IMPARTIAL THIRD PARTIES. (a) A person appointed to facilitate an alternative dispute resolution procedure under this subchapter shall encourage and assist the parties in reaching a settlement of their dispute but may not compel or coerce the parties to enter into a settlement agreement.

(b) Unless expressly authorized by the disclosing party, the impartial third party may not disclose to either party information given in confidence by the other and shall at all times maintain confidentiality with respect to communications relating to the subject matter of the dispute.

(c) Unless the parties agree otherwise, all matters, including the conduct and demeanor of the parties and their counsel during the settlement process, are confidential and may never be disclosed to anyone, including the appointing court.

The CBA is subject to NY law (it has a choice of law clause therein) unless conflicting with Federal Law.  While the disciplinary hearing process does not clearly identify as arbitration in the CBA or the commissioner’s communication on the Personal Conduct Policy, it sure does set forth a legal process that mirrors arbitration.  Neither the Federal Arbitration Act nor CPLR 75, which sets forth NY law on arbitration, address confidentiality in proceedings.  (Although 28 USC Sec 652(d) does provide for local rules requiring confidentiality in the Federal Courts mediation process). Given that the CBA and Commissioner’s Communication on the Personal Conduct Policy set forth a goal of confidentiality for witnesses, and given that Watson’s behavior was subject to criminal investigation, I would be surprised if his lawyers did not insist on confidentiality.  (Not sure he can compel such but given that Buzbee made the Texans a party, can’t believe the Commissioner wouldn’t insist on such a provision from Robinson, herself a former Federal judge.). Courts have enforced confidentiality orders of arbitrators as though issued by judges. I never participated in a NY mediation or arbitration, including NY’s appellate mediations in front of appointed judges, that did not include a confidentiality agreements. I never participated in any Federal mediation that was not subject to confidentiality.    Most arbitrations I have participated in were subject to American Arbitration Association rules.  (Pretty standard.)

 Confidentiality
Subject to applicable law or the parties’ agreement, confidential information disclosed to a mediator by the parties or by other participants (witnesses) in the course of the mediation shall not be divulged by the mediator. The mediator shall maintain the confidentiality of all information obtained in the mediation, and all records, reports, or other documents received by a mediator while serving in that capacity shall be confidential.
The mediator shall not be compelled to divulge such records or to testify in regard to the mediation in any adversary proceeding or judicial forum.
The parties shall maintain the confidentiality of the mediation and shall not rely on, or introduce as evidence in any arbitral, judicial, or other proceeding the following, unless agreed to by the parties or required by applicable law:
(i) Views expressed or suggestions made by a party or other participant with respect to a possible settlement of the dispute;
(ii) Admissions made by a party or other participant in the course of the mediation proceedings;
(iii) Proposals made or views expressed by the mediator; or
(iv) The fact that a party had or had not indicated willingness to accept a proposal
for settlement made by the mediator.

Given that Texas has adopted the confidentiality provision of the Uniform Arbitration Act, I would be shocked if Buzbee’s attempt doesn’t go down in flames.  

@NCiggles Sure hope Florio wasn’t batting for your side or mine.  

Florio is a shock jock. He’s famous because he tries to stir the pot until someone calls him out. He puts out every conspiracy theory, every "I’m Better than you” article because it gets clicks.

I wouldn’t say he’s falling for Buzbee’s grandstanding, I’d say he’s openly endorsing it.

42 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Eh, he's ok as a UDFA. I had quite a few guys I liked over him but yeah, maybe he will surprise me. I'd really like to get Hunt or Johnson from the Browns. Would like to bring Ty'Son Williams into camp for a look too. 

Some decent RBs are likely cut at the end of PS due to the depth on some teams. I suspect Brooks looks better than he is behind the Eagles third team OL v othe teams’ scrubs on DL.  

34 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

I agree, Hurts seems like a quality individual. My question - if Wentz had done the same thing in 2019, would he have been met with the same approval?

I dunno, Wentz is about as white as it gets.  I think Pepsi would have been asked why they chose a white guy to endorse local black small business owners 

48 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

I agree, Hurts seems like a quality individual. My question - if Wentz had done the same thing in 2019, would he have been met with the same approval?

approval or disapproval? To be fair to Wentz, 2017 established him as a potential franchise QB so I think that gives a different lens from which to evaluate or critique everything the guy did on or off the field. Hurts has sort of done of opposite, shown lots of qualities as QB that would call into question his potential to be a franchise QB. There are lots of reasons not to like him as the franchise's choice at QB and this is all valid debate. It becomes absurd, IMO, when this encompasses everything the kid does and is used to bash him. Him wanting to take advantage of business opportunities, service in the community, promoting Philly, being friends with Brown, and so on don't make him a better QB option but they are also silly to use as a critique in this regard. It's not debate because it's a kind of gaslighting -- to try and get agreement that an objective positive is a negative and that if you don't see this then you don't understand the reality of the situation. 

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I’m board with your redundancy and repetitive crying about a below average QB who acts like he’s the franchise QB/MVP.   If you don’t like the constant nitpicking then this isn’t the place for you.  You can blame the weirdos who celebrate and over exaggerate everything he does.  They’ve created this monster.   

Or, I can voice my opinion on a message board and you can try and avoid your third man in tendency. 

All this because of a Jalen Hurts cheesesteak video. We are in peak offseason. 

12 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

All this because of a Jalen Hurts cheesesteak video. We are in peak offseason. 

Tough next month lol can't even go back to last year's tape to feel any better about it. Just sit on our hands or we talk ish to each other until the hype talks in camp XD 

Like Reagor catching all the off passes lol 

12 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

 

Don’t forget the excuses or blame game when Hurts plays like ish.  

Oh definitely, but there's a small chance we gotta weather the I told you so until week 9-10 range

 

6 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

The last QB that got us a Super Bowl we let leave after another season, so I’m not really worried about being stuck with Hurts. 

 

He made them pay for it too by bouncing around several more teams at the bottom of their depth charts.  As they say, they journey continues for the journeyman.  

26 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

All this because of a Jalen Hurts cheesesteak video. We are in peak offseason. 

I made a witty remark about that video and got no likes.

My life is over 🤣

Wow…nothing like a little gaslighting and playing the victim card. All from a warped sense of reality.. people who hope the Eagles fail so they can win the narrative..too funny…

So who's getting lit to watch the USFL Championship tonight?