34 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Massive downgrade 

WTF?  I thought Bacarty Projects was agreed upon.

7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

WTF?  I thought Bacarty Projects was agreed upon.

Bacarty = the Acrisure Arsehole 

25 minutes ago, Penn7980 said:

OL looks pretty solid with young players developing.  The vets are on short-term contracts as they should be, so that the PT goes to the younger players.

The back-up CB bunch is a number game.  Most are young and unproven, also low cost.  Getting a bunch on the roster and see who will emerge.  The rest they can discard.

The team needs to do a better job on developing young players and stagger them in pipeline (the OL is moving along this fashion).  If they can't do that, the rental is the only way to fill holes and they will be stuck with it.   

That sounds fair but the criticism was harsh compared to the problems many other teams have.

I think we did as good a job as we could.

1 minute ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Bacarty = the Acrisure Arsehole 

Turkey Hill post of the day

7 hours ago, CouchKing said:

QB bulking up can interfere with their throwing. Remember when McNabb bulked up. I think he threw more worm burners as a result.

Donovan was not a better QB once he 'bulked up'.

 

Just now, EaglePhan1986 said:

 

 

15 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

 

Although I have some friends

24 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

In fact, complete smoke show ex co worker is a big wig over there. 

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Lions really using that money wisely 

 

Such an idiotic stat.  In his first 20 starts, Cam Newton rushed for 200 less yards than Hurts, while passing for 1000 more.

 

 

1 hour ago, Penn7980 said:

OL looks pretty solid with young players developing.  The vets are on short-term contracts as they should be, so that the PT goes to the younger players.

The back-up CB bunch is a number game.  Most are young and unproven, also low cost.  Getting a bunch on the roster and see who will emerge.  The rest they can discard.

The team needs to do a better job on developing young players and stagger them in pipeline (the OL is moving along this fashion).  If they can't do that, the rental is the only way to fill holes and they will be stuck with it.   

What young players are those? Mailata, Dickerson and Jurgens. But face it, those three and Johnson are signed past this year.  Others are either PS players or UDFAs or the oft injured Driscoll.  So if Driscoll is the LG next year (say Seumalo isn’t extended) and Jurgens takes Kelce’s place, there is no real developed and signed depth. 

They invested in Scott, Vincent, Gowan, McPhearson.  Probably the equivalent of a fourth or fifth for Gowan, a fourth for McPearson, and a sixth each for Vincent and Scott.  Someone isn’t going to make the team of those. None will get a shot unless Gannon plays some dime or a starter gets hurt.  So where is the player development?

9 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Such an idiotic stat.  In his first 20 starts, Cam Newton rushed for 200 less yards than Hurts, while passing for 1000 more.

 

 

It would probably be constructive to list all the QBs with 4,000 passing yards in their first 20 starts, in order to provide a definition of "elite".  Running with the football as a QB does not make the QB elite.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

It would probably be constructive to list all the QBs with 4,000 passing yards in their first 20 starts, in order to provide a definition of "elite".  Running with the football as a QB does not make the QB elite.

Deal with it!

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Lions really using that money wisely 

 

I thought there was no way this could be true but after looking it up, almost half the money is just due to Goff, Decker and Big V. Holy hell. 

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

It would probably be constructive to list all the QBs with 4,000 passing yards in their first 20 starts, in order to provide a definition of "elite".  Running with the football as a QB does not make the QB elite.

Luck 4400, Herbert 4300, Cam 4100 and Winston 4000 all eclipsed it in 16 games.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I thought there was no way this could be true but after looking it up, almost half the money is just due to Goff, Decker and Big V. Holy hell. 

11 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

It would probably be constructive to list all the QBs with 4,000 passing yards in their first 20 starts, in order to provide a definition of "elite".  Running with the football as a QB does not make the QB elite.

Tua, Trubisky, Tyrod Taylor, Goff and Brissett are all in there. Yea, I don't need to look anymore.

Would probably be easier to list QB's who can't average 200 yards per game over 20 games.

14 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Tua, Trubisky, Tyrod Taylor, Goff and Brissett are all in there. Yea, I don't need to look anymore.

Right.  Baker Mayfield was also over 5,200 passing yards in his first 20 starts -- and he just came off the unemployment line -- so, clearly, having 4,000 passing yards in the first 20 starts doesn't signify "elite".  Herbert was over 5,500 passing yards and Mahomes over 6,500 passing yards in their first 20 starts.

The red herring out of the way, the question becomes whether a QB can be described as "elite" because he runs for 1,000 in his first 20 starts.

 

Looks like Lamar Jackson had approximately 1,573 rushing yards in his first 20 starts while Hurts had 1,056 in his.  I would not argue that Lamar Jackson is an elite runner at the QB position.  Hurts is a good/very good runner at the QB position -- not elite.

Completing passes in OTAs ain't the same as passing under pressure on game day either.

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Right.  Baker Mayfield was also over 5,200 passing yards in his first 20 starts -- and he just came off the unemployment line -- so, clearly, having 4,000 passing yards in the first 20 starts doesn't signify "elite".  Herbert was over 5,500 passing yards and Mahomes over 6,500 passing yards in their first 20 starts.

The red herring out of the way, the question becomes whether a QB can be described as "elite" because he runs for 1,000 in his first 20 starts.

Eww even Sam Darnold has 4,500

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Eww even Sam Darnold has 4,500

12 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Right.  Baker Mayfield was also over 5,200 passing yards in his first 20 starts -- and he just came off the unemployment line -- so, clearly, having 4,000 passing yards in the first 20 starts doesn't signify "elite".  Herbert was over 5,500 passing yards and Mahomes over 6,500 passing yards in their first 20 starts.

The red herring out of the way, the question becomes whether a QB can be described as "elite" because he runs for 1,000 in his first 20 starts.

Patrick Mahomes had 965 less rushing yards than Hurts in his first 20 career games.  Patrick Mahomes had 1491 more yards of total offense than Hurts in his first 20 career games.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Patrick Mahomes had 965 less rushing yards than Hurts in his first 20 career games.  Patrick Mahomes had 1491 more yards of total offense than Hurts in his first 20 career games.

Nice "gotcha" try. There's a reason Mahomes is unproven and you just nailed it. 

31 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I thought there was no way this could be true but after looking it up, almost half the money is just due to Goff, Decker and Big V. Holy hell. 

It’s only a *technically in July* list. Notice Baltimore and Arizona only a few million behind with monster QB contracts looming.

How does Baltimore have that much in their offense after dumping Hollywood Brown, spending all their money on D, and NOT having a top QB contract? That’s crazy