24 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

Some Dumb team would take him though, problem is they won't trade him

Yep. That would require DD answering questions about giving him that contract in the first place and he wouldn't want to do that. They'll double down on Nola, no doubt, chalking this year up as an "off year."

2 minutes ago, vsptroops said:

Yep. That would require DD answering questions about giving him that contract in the first place and he wouldn't want to do that. They'll double down on Nola, no doubt, chalking this year up as an "off year."

Theoretically the Phillies could DFA Nola, either you lose him and someone picks him and his contract up or he passes and he can work on his crap in the minors. But we won’t do that and just keep letting him look like crap

15 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Theoretically the Phillies could DFA Nola, either you lose him and someone picks him and his contract up or he passes and he can work on his crap in the minors. But we won’t do that and just keep letting him look like crap

Him and Walker should both pitch 4 innings in games.

42 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Phillies should really view it as a sunk cost. Even if he hits elsewhere if you can get someone to take that contract it gives you flexibility to use towards extending luzardo and even Ranger. Your rotation of wheeler, painter, luzardo, Sanchez and Ranger is still dominant. Plus you might also have Abel if he continues down this path

That would be smart forward thinking. That's not what the Phillies do.

They should just have Nola throw for every batter that participates in the Home Run Derby this year. Should be record breaking excitement

Again Brandon Marsh is not a centerfielder

The path forward with Nola is clear. Put him on the IL with a phantom injury until the weather is better, put him back in the rotation for July, and pray he gets enough good starts under his belt by the deadline that he can be traded for something, anything, to get his contract off the books. Then replace him in the rotation with Painter.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Again Brandon Marsh is not a Major League Palyer

You misspoke , helped you out

33 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

You misspoke , helped you out

So bad he isn’t even considered a palyer or a player

2 hours ago, iladelphxx said:

DD is truly incompetent

2 hours ago, Blazehound said:

DD is truly incompetent

They said he was hurt the whole time here and said he is actually a good player. That being said i agree

I'm so Fing sick of Nola. I can't believe they brought that limp D bum back for 5 more years. He was on the verge of being cooked 2-3 years ago, now he's burnt to hell.

But just like Walker, they're going to just keep throwing him out there to lose games.

11 minutes ago, devpool said:

I'm so Fing sick of Nola. I can't believe they brought that limp D bum back for 5 more years. He was on the verge of being cooked 2-3 years ago, now he's burnt to hell.

But just like Walker, they're going to just keep throwing him out there to lose games.

Something isn’t right with him physically or mechanically. He has never been this bad in his career. And I don’t think it’s an age drop off. He’s only 31, on the verge of 32.

47 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

Something isn’t right with him physically or mechanically. He has never been this bad in his career. And I don’t think it’s an age drop off. He’s only 31, on the verge of 32.

A couple things. Going back to 2021 he’s been good one year and bad/pedestrian the next. This year if you follow that trend was expected to be a down year. Not sure this down but it follows his trend. Some of it is velocity had been down outside of a game or two. Nola doesn’t rely on overpowering stuff but when he used to be able to hit 93-94 when you needed it, now he’s topping out at 91-92 on most nights. That’s a big enough difference to help hitters. He hit 93 just twice last night. His 3 homers given up were 90, 90 and 93. The 93 was a first pitch HR where Winn knew what was coming. His velocity was 91.8 mph on his fastball. Which is better than what he was earlier in the season but still not great. The other issue for Nola last night is he gave up 6 hits with 2 strikes on hitters and can’t put them away. Thats part fastball isn’t as good and he also not locating his pitches last night. On the season opponents hitting .230 vs. Nola with 2 strikes. Last year was .146.

Some of this is he’ll be better than what he’s shown. some of this is he’s just been lousy every other season. Some of this is the amount of innings they’ve asked him to throw over the years is beginning to catch up to him. It’s why it was ridiculous they gave him 7 years. Not that they extended him. If they gave him 4 or even 5 then it still isn’t great. But makes sense. When you go look at the free agent market for starting pitchers that we’re going to be predominantly in their 30s the entire contract none unless they were true aces got over six year contract contracts. The only one in that free agency class that did besides Nola was Yamamoto who was 25 years old. The Phillies put this BS out that the Braves were gonna try to get Nola. The Braves have not given a 30+ year-old starting pitcher going into his contract over a 4-year contract. Phillies made this BS story they were gonna lose him if they didn’t do 7 years. If that was the case should’ve let him walk.

Yeah I think Nola has pitched more innings than any other pitcher over the past 5 years. That takes a toll.

And guess who's #2?

Look at the difference in ERA and wins

Also - you guys are hilarious even thinking that Nola will be traded. Look how long they shuffled that bum Walker out to the mound last year before they finally sent his ass to the pen - Nola ain't going anywhere. Your best bet is to hammer the over on runs scored by the other team when he's on the mound

7 hours ago, mikemack8 said:

Yeah I think Nola has pitched more innings than any other pitcher over the past 5 years. That takes a toll.

The IP people used to prop up that contract was funny. At some point those innings would accumulate and catch up to him. Especially entering his 30s. He might not be super reliant on high speed stuff but his stuff is still suffering. His fastball is sitting on average at 91.8. Ricky B said it best, a couple years ago he could rely on 93-95 range. So that’s dropped. Then his movement and placement as dropped a touch. So when both happen now you got a problem and the accumulation of IP and age comes to forefront.

I’d add with 2 strikes this year he can’t get guys put away like he did just a year ago. His K per 9 is better but it should be significant higher considering how many more times he’s facing guys with 2 strikes. Opponents batting average with 2 strikes is .229. A year ago it was .146. That’s a .083 jump. That’s significant. It’s partially why his hits per 9 is at 10.7 when it was 8.5 and 8.3 the previous two years. His HR rate is 2 even previous couple years it was at or below 1.5. His Ks per 9 still looks good like previous two years but Ks to walk ratio is the lowest it’s been since 2019. His WHIP is significantly higher than any time since 2016. It’s why he like his K rate is good still but really with how many 2 strike at bats he’s getting and it should be much higher but more guys are getting on base

Imo this started in September last year. He had a 4.91 ERA and in his last 7 starts (including playoffs) where he didn’t go 6 IP in 4 of the last 7 starts. If you include this year 9 of his last 16 starts he hasn’t gotten to 6 IP. He’s also given up 4+ runs in 8 of his last 16 starts.

He gets 10/5 rights so he can reject any trade. But frankly i don’t think if it goes really bad or even if it doesn’t that he’d just reject a trade. I think it would have to be a place he wants to go to. That said they’ll never do it and trot him out there trying to prove a point.

I’d add to nola i love when twitter people state well atlanta was giving 6 years so we had too. No you didn’t. It’s never smart to give a SP entering his 30s a 7 year contract with the amount of innings he had pitched. Should’ve been 4 with an option for a 5th.

Secondly it was a Phillies reporter that leaked that story. was such a BS leak this out there by Nola’s camp/agent or a Phillies source to justify the 7 years when the only other starting pitcher on the market that got 5+ years was a 25 year old Yamamoto. The market showed no one SP was getting that. I bet a ton of money that 6 year was a Fugazi 6th year like a a team option by the Braves. Heck the 5th year might have been a mutual option with a low buy out.

Furthermore fried WAR over the last 6 years 22.2 is better than Nola’s 19.9. Heck last 3 years even missing half the year in 2023 is better than Nola (12 vs. 11.6). The report was Braves wanted no part in going over 5 years for fried. There’s no way the Braves were guaranteeing a pitcher with more IP on the arm and analytics with WAR of an inferior player. It’s why i laugh at the report that got put out there that Atlanta was going 6. It was a fugazi 6th year and maybe even 5th

Apparently they were having him throw more change ups than usual so he can work on it

Nola is fine. Guy is a good pitcher, he just needs it to be 102 degrees, 95% humidity, have 14 runs of support, and be pitching at home.

With how pedestrian Kepler has been and marsh just being bad i think it’s going to be Crawford time by July if it continues