21 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

Why would Howie accept that?  Fields is nowhere close to the QB that Hurts is.  He's already heading into his 3rd year so you're going to be right in the same situation very soon where you have to sign him to a new contract.  Also Jalen isn't just a good QB on a rookie contract, he's one of the best QBs in the league.  At worst the 3rd best QB in the league but already by far the best QB in the NFC.  

Ok have it your way, Fields would be the bridge QB that could turn it around. I thought he made some very good plays against us but ok just a bridge and then the proposed trade was even more lopsided than the additional 3 1sts and 3 2’s that you could use to trade around for a the QB in waiting as well as fix other positions of need. Jalen’s cool, plays to win, after watching him this season feel like we are in every game if he’s healthy. You feel me 

17 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

4.49 is slow these days…

For what E45 wants, yes. And it definitely is for a 165 pound receiver.

6 minutes ago, The guy in France said:

Ok have it your way, Fields would be the bridge QB that could turn it around. I thought he made some very good plays against us but ok just a bridge and then the proposed trade was even more lopsided than the additional 3 1sts and 3 2’s that you could use to trade around for a the QB in waiting as well as fix other positions of need. Jalen’s cool, plays to win, after watching him this season feel like we are in every game if he’s healthy. You feel me 

 

If Fields turns it around them you have to pay him and you're only doing this because apparently you don't want to pay a QB.  What's the point of a bridge QB if you aren't contending g with him?

Eagles will always be contending here on forward as long as Hurts is healthy. That's the luxury you have when you have one of the top tier best QBs in the league.

10 minutes ago, TEW said:

For what E45 wants, yes. And it definitely is for a 165 pound receiver.

Well, for slot receivers in the NFL it’s just fine.

57 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

I thought tomorrow but dudes can still back out ala Gore

LeCharles Bentley…

7 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

LeCharles Bentley…

That was 2008. It doesn't happen often that a player backs out. 

1 hour ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Is Point #3 in the Roob's article as pathetic as it sounds?

As pathetic as his rock dreams are.  I kid, good for him for having some sort of talent.

 

6 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

I read an article on a potential Eagles-Jets draft night trade.  The premise was that the Jets need to get up to #10 to shore up their OL by drafting Paris Johnson at #10:

 

Trade Offer No. 1

• Jets get No. 10 overall pick.
• Eagles get No. 13 overall pick, 2024 second round pick & 2023 fifth round pick (No. 143).

Trade Offer No. 2

• Jets get No. 10 overall pick & 2023 seventh round pick (No. 219).
• Eagles get No. 13 overall pick, 2023 third round pick (No. 74), 2023 fourth round pick (No. 112) & 2023 sixth round pick (No. 207).

#2 for sure. I think you can get a pretty good player at 112 and we need picks this year, so a 2023 3rd is necessary over a 2024 2nd, even though I generally prioritize higher picks in future years.

Didnt think roob could be more of a loser

but there you go

11 hours ago, McMVP said:

At the end of the day, I probably would too. Earlier I was just saying that those arguing the other way are not as ‘far out in left left’ as some think.  I do think there are GMs that are beginning to consider other ways of roster building because of where QB prices are heading.  Yes the cap is increasing, but that doesn’t solve the issue.  Most teams simply are not as successful once they overpay for their QB. It makes GMs think about other ways…that’s really the point with this whole debate.

I don’t think I would pull the trigger on a trade because I think it would kill our locker room morale.  That’s the point that isn’t being discussed enough.  

I also think this other way of thinking (trading Hurts (and I fully admit to be one of those who has weighed the option), includes an unsaid assumption that last year was Jalen’s ceiling.  That he’s peaked.  He’s a rare breed in terms of character and his desire to improve.  I could be wrong, but he doesn’t strike me as a player that will ever become complacent.  I don’t see big money affecting that desire to improve.

Another thing that is assumed in that alternative option (trading him for a haul), is that the Eagles would again hit on those acquired picks or spend the saved money wisely.  Howie had a great offseason last year…just about all moves worked out.  But he isn’t exactly batting 1,000 overall.  Trading him for a haul is certainly not risk free…

What we are speaking of I think is a trade where Howie gets a lot of large caliber shots in the draft and as Matt posted an analysis of all 32 teams draft capabilities from 2012-21 and we were the 6th best drafting team. Howie could also trade picks for players. Anyways lots of very large bullets and I think even Koy is packing 1’s bag but this is dreamcasting hypothesizing. We need 3 more mid round picks damn it

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

There’s the floor for TJ Edwards 

Quinnen Williams is a darkhorse trade candidate for me.  He's going on his 4th year but still has the 5th year option and is going to get PAID.  If they do trade for Rodgers, his contract is going to be huge.  I'd offer pick 30, the Saints 2024 2nd and Slay for Williams and a 4th.

9 hours ago, TEW said:

Zay Flowers is the only early round target who fits this mold. I’m not sure if he’d make it to #30, but there is an outside chance he does. He’d certainly give us that jitterbug element who can blow the top off or take a short pass to the house by making someone miss in the open field.

Late rounds, Derius Davis from TCU fits the mold. He doesn’t have the hands you ideally want out of a slot WR, but he’ll go somewhere around the 6th, maybe 7th, round. He’s definitely a weapon after the catch and has 4.3 speed.

But I’d offer some outside the box solutions as well. I’ve mentioned Gibbs. I don’t know just how good his hands will be at the NFL level. If I’m the eagles I bring him in for a workout, and every second I have him on the field he’s running WR routes from the slot. I want to see how he tracks the ball deep.

Along the same thought pattern, Achane and Mitchell are both lightening in a bottle with the ball in their hands. Both have a good track record of catching the ball in college. Both ran in the 4.3’s. Both have elite short area quickness. I figure you probably have to take Achane in the 2nd, Mitchell probably late 4th through early 6th?

They’re both RBs, both undersized, both probably can’t handle being a lead back but getting 10 total touches a game they’re going to do some damage. Same thing with them — I would love to work them out as slot receivers. Not that they’d play there full time, but if they can track the ball deep, they bring a really dynamic element.

How about your boy with hands of glue. Put him on a cheesesteak diet maybe could play both ways. Hands of glue

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Emmanuel-Forbes-CB-MississippiState

32 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Well, for slot receivers in the NFL it’s just fine.

It might be fine, but I’m not using a top 100 pick on a 165 pound slot receiver with mediocre speed.

Much rather use that 3rd elsewhere and target someone like Davis later.

Any chance we bring back both Bradberry and Chauncey?

DL - Sweat, Jalen Carter (10), Davis, Graham

LB - Reddick, Jack Campbell (round 2)

CB - Slay, Bradbury, Maddox

S - Chauncey, Blankenship

 

$$$ saved not bringing back Hargrave and Edwards 

 

 

 

I know GA rotates a lot but I don’t watch them really. These stats are as pedestrian as they get. Guess I’ll have to watch his tape/highlights.

2 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

I know GA rotates a lot but I don’t watch them really. These stats are as pedestrian as they get. Guess I’ll have to watch his tape/highlights.

Did you see my post a few pages back?  

4 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

I know GA rotates a lot but I don’t watch them really. These stats are as pedestrian as they get. Guess I’ll have to watch his tape/highlights.

He did miss 5 games in 2022 with an MCL injury.

Even as a diehard UGA football fan, I'm not completely sold on Carter 

There were alot of instances where he got winded mid-game and had to sub out.

He struggles with double teams.

And against UGA's toughest competition last season (Ohio State in the CFP), Carter was pretty much a nonfactor. Their OL handled him.

2 hours ago, UK Eagle said:

Something on the cap position for next year

 

 

37 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Didnt think roob could be more of a loser

but there you go

Hey, guys! Miss me?

Haven't posted much, if at all, since they stole the Super Bowl from us with that BS Holding call...still salty...

I don't watch much College so I don't have a position on the upcoming Draft Class, tho I enjoy your evaluations.

I read everything posted.  

Glad to be able to retain BG, big keep. Cox, we'll see, for the right number. CJG will work itself out, Hope we can keep him.

Desai may be the  real deal...just needs a chance to show his chops.

As to the last 315 pages, well, , still Love the Blog.

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Miss the guys that have taken a pass on the dreck. @justrelax is a serious loss, I don't blame him. Not worth the battle for him, I guess.

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Stay Frosty, my friends, SB 58 on the Horizon.

 

9 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

There were alot of instances where he got winded mid-game and had to sub out.

 

This is one of my biggest concerns with him.  How does a guy who plays less than 400 snaps a year with the rotation they have get winded?  If the Eagles are using another premium pick at DT, I want him playing 800-900 snaps like Fletcher Cox was.  Davis will never be that guy (big reason why I didn't want him) and I don't see a world where Carter is going to suddenly double his snap count.

10 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

He did miss 5 games in 2022 with an MCL injury.

Even as a diehard UGA football fan, I'm not completely sold on Carter 

There were alot of instances where he got winded mid-game and had to sub out.

He struggles with double teams.

And against UGA's toughest competition last season (Ohio State in the CFP), Carter was pretty much a nonfactor. Their OL handled him.

Doesn't sound like someone who should be drafted in the first 10

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Doesn't sound like someone who should be drafted in the first 10

No way. I would even be reluctant to take him at Pick 30 (although Howie is sprinting to the podium for him if he lasts that long).

He has the potential and tools to be an elite player. I read alot of evaluators comparing him to Warren Sapp. But his college production just doesn't match that comparison yet imo

20 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Id rather see them use a pick on a bell cow type. More important to have a starter than a little speed guy like Achane. 

My small back type to replace Boston Scott in free agency is Gaskin. Hes a tough runner for his size, and excellent in the passing game as well. 

the Eagles are due to lose 2 running backs.

It seems like one way to go is 1) new fastest guy + 2) bell cow

Achane is on the list of "new fastest guy"

I like Roschon Johnson as "bell cow"

I've been paying attention to Roschon a lot longer than Achane,  and I like Roschon more, in part because he's likely cheaper.  Cheap RB who was Under Armour All American at QB.  I'll take that.  Bell cows used to be 230 pounds,  not now, but Roschon is one of the heaviest RBs at the combine.  And is a near physical match to Jalen Hurts. 

I like the idea of the "fastest guy" being a RB instead of a WR.  It could be Achane.  However, Achane might be seen as too expensive. 

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

This is one of my biggest concerns with him.  How does a guy who plays less than 400 snaps a year with the rotation they have get winded?  If the Eagles are using another premium pick at DT, I want him playing 800-900 snaps like Fletcher Cox was.  Davis will never be that guy (big reason why I didn't want him) and I don't see a world where Carter is going to suddenly double his snap count.

He might see less double teams as a 4-3 3T, the UGA scheme called on its DL to soak up blocks and give its LBs clean looks (UGA gets most its sack production via the blitz). 

38 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Did you see my post a few pages back?  

Just saw it - exactly!