5 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

McLane wrote a piece like this maybe a month ago. There’s no doubt Howie lacks the leadership skills necessary to be an NFL GM. And Lurie can’t wrap his finger around why it’s not the way a team should be ran.
 

Analytics are great, but we over do it. 

This is why we're doomed.  There's no end in sight.  A good/sane owner would see how horrible Howie is and get rid of him.  I don't have The Athletic but if it's on the same page as what McLane wrote then it's just bad news for the Eagles.  

It's one thing to be a bad GM and not good at evaluating talent.  It's a whole other level of bad when the entire organization is is now branded as dysfunctional.  The Eagles are pretty close to a laughing stock in the NFL at this point.  It's one of the reasons I laugh and just shrug my shoulders when I give the Cowboys credit for drafting bonafide talent just to hear the tired argument that Jerry Jones is crazy, meddles too much and all of that.  Jeff Lurie and Howie Roseman are on the same level, if not worse than Dallas's FO right now....except we don't draft good players.  

I, along with a few others on here, for months have been saying that this all starts with Lurie and as long as he owns the Eagles I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel. 

14 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

McLane wrote a piece like this maybe a month ago. There’s no doubt Howie lacks the leadership skills necessary to be an NFL GM. And Lurie can’t wrap his head around why it’s not the way a team should be ran.
 

Also, analytics are great, but we overdo it. 

A lot of people scoffed because it was McLane. Hopefully people give this a fair shake. 

I’m big on the analytics as anyone would know, but there has to be room for feel and game flow. And for anyone to complain about leaning on the ground game at Green Bay is an idiot. 

22 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

McLane wrote a piece like this maybe a month ago. There’s no doubt Howie lacks the leadership skills necessary to be an NFL GM. And Lurie can’t wrap his head around why it’s not the way a team should be ran.
 

Also, analytics are great, but we overdo it. 

The fact Lurie was reportedly unhappy with the Eagles running the ball too much in that win over the Packers and made Pederson go through his call sheet after each game to look at analytics says a lot. Analytics are great, but they have their place rather than sole arbiter of truth.

Oh yeah, Warren Sharp? Really? Yikes. 

17 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

This is why we're doomed.  There's no end in sight.  A good/sane owner would see how horrible Howie is and get rid of him.  I don't have The Athletic but if it's on the same page as what McLane wrote then it's just bad news for the Eagles.  

It's one thing to be a bad GM and not good at evaluating talent.  It's a whole other level of bad when the entire organization is is now branded as dysfunctional.  The Eagles are pretty close to a laughing stock in the NFL at this point.  It's one of the reasons I laugh and just shrug my shoulders when I give the Cowboys credit for drafting bonafide talent just to hear the tired argument that Jerry Jones is crazy, meddles too much and all of that.  Jeff Lurie and Howie Roseman are on the same level, if not worse than Dallas's FO right now....except we don't draft good players.  

I, along with a few others on here, for months have been saying that this all starts with Lurie and as long as he owns the Eagles I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel. 

What a drama queen you are after one losing season.

The Cowboys have advanced past the wildcard round twice since 1995.  Daniel Snyder is likely the worst owner in all of sports.  The Giants owners employ a guy in 2021 who thinks spending the second overall pick on a running back is a good idea.

But sure, Eagles enter a rebuild and its woe-is-us for the rest of eternity.

Analytics are essential in today's NFL.

Marrying analytics with tape is what's hard.

 

1 minute ago, Peppersmacks said:

What a drama queen you are after one losing season.

The Cowboys have advanced past the wildcard round twice since 1995.  Daniel Snyder is likely the worst owner in all of sports.  The Giants owners employ a guy in 2021 who thinks spending the second overall pick on a running back is a good idea.

But sure, Eagles enter a rebuild and its woe-is-us for the rest of eternity.

It's not just one losing season.  This mess didn't happen overnight.  It's been happening.  This is Lurie and Roseman's mess.  The issue isn't the rebuild we are going through on the field.  It's the way the Philadelphia Eagles are run from the top down.  Again, if you can't see it then you need to take your Eagles colored glasses off.  This goes beyond Carson playing like crap, injuries across the board and so on and so forth.  There are problems with the Eagles and they start with Lurie.

I've been talking about these issues long before last year, it's too bad we can't access the old boards because you could easily find discussions about the direction this team was headed. 

5 minutes ago, RLC said:

Analytics are essential in today's NFL.

Marrying analytics with tape is what's hard.

 

I read an interesting book on that a few years back.  While the writing style was bordering on extremely dull, it talked about how to marry the data with the real world application of it.   My concern with Lurie is the stats would fit the narrative he wants because he is CEO, rather than being a useful exercise. I wouldn't be surprised if Doug turned up, said a bunch of random crap and left the meeting thinking, nah, won't do any of that.

Anyone that works with data to produce analytics knows how easy it is to create a perspective that suits what you want.

12 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

It's not just one losing season.  This mess didn't happen overnight.  It's been happening.  This is Lurie and Roseman's mess.  The issue isn't the rebuild we are going through on the field.  It's the way the Philadelphia Eagles are run from the top down.  Again, if you can't see it then you need to take your Eagles colored glasses off.  This goes beyond Carson playing like crap, injuries across the board and so on and so forth.  There are problems with the Eagles and they start with Lurie.

I've been talking about these issues long before last year, it's too bad we can't access the old boards because you could easily find discussions about the direction this team was headed. 

So when did you start complaining?  During the Super Bowl parade?  The year after where they were one drop from potentially returning to the conference championship?  Or did you start crying the year after when they lost to the Seahawks after a cheap shot to their QB and played the rest of the game with a one-legged backup QB?   

The only thing reviewing the archives would show me is that you are a perpetual complainer.

Disclaimer: I don't subscribe to The Athletic so I haven't read the story. However...

If what I'm gathering from posts here is accurate, it's funny how the same guys who almost exclusively use analytics for their on-field analysis are the same ones bashing the team for using them.

21 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

It's silly to say that adding Pitts wouldn't even budge the needle for them.  Of course he makes that team better.  He makes an already really good offense all the better. That's like saying the Nets adding James Harden doesn't move the needle because they can already score with Durant and Kyrie but Harden does nothing to help their bad defense.  

They don't have any sort of threat at TE right now.  Pitts could end up being an all time great with his potential at that position.  Think of it from an Eagles perspective.  How are we going to be able to defense that offense with Pitts in there?  

Yeah Pitts, Lamb, Gallup, Cooper... Yikes

i could see Carolina taking Pitts now that they acquired their QB

8 hours ago, TEW said:

Agreed on back surgery -- it scares the hell out of me. I've had minor back injuries, like lower back strains, and they were absolutely debilitating. 

But just to play devil's advocate, how much does position play a factor in this? Surely being a defensive lineman like Watt or a TE like Gronk puts much more of a load on the back than playing CB, which is probably the least physically punishing position of the 22 starters.

You are right...lighter is better.  The less bulk someone has, even if it's extreme muscle mass and not fat, the better off they are long-term with this problem.

7 hours ago, TEW said:

Neo-Keynesians and Monetarists are wrong for the same reason: the belief that they or anyone else can price money or control the money supply without causing catastrophic unintended consequences. Friedman was one of the better big picture guys and he didn't want the Federal Reserve for a reason. He knew the danger.

The problem with economists is that they think they're physicists and that there are hard mathematical laws that they understand. There is an infamous quote by one of the absolute worst modern economists, Paul Krugman, where he says something along the lines that economies can be controlled by pulling policy levers. This concept presupposes that people are mechanical, that they all act the same, and more over not just that economists know how they will react but that they can look down the decision tree of 7 billion people to infinity. The best way to describe their world view is hubris.

I really don't think there has been a good Fed chair since Volcker. Everyone since then has simply used monetary policy to pass the disaster to the next guy. Greenspan lowering interest rates from Volcker's highs had merit at first. Then it became the Greenspan Put. Then it became the Fed Put. And now we are stuck in a debt trap. Basically every country is. That's why you have the IMF et al talking openly about coordinated central bank easing, because every country has no way out of its debt and the only answer they have is to inflate it away. Well, if some country breaks rank during this process, then the rest of them will go to hell with the swiftness.

What the central bankers are worried about today is deflation, which can lead to a Japanese type stagnation worldwide.

Microeconomists think they're physicists, Macroeconomists are first and foremost empiricists these days. The only Macroeconomists who buy into the rational man model are the conservative rational expectation guys who've fallen out of fashion.

Krugman is an international trade guy, he's gone downhill since he became a celebrity economist.

My mantra has always been that of Box:  "All models are wrong, some models are useful."

Fed Chairman have to "pull levers," because anything they do has consequences, including doing nothing. They can't help but control the money supply, the question is how they control it. The reason to coordinate policy is to avoid the race to the bottom. There is no alternative, the Gold Standard is crazy, because it holds money supply hostage to the mining industry (history shows that metallic standards cause massive fluctuations as metal supply varies, new silver supplies triggered wide spread inflation, lack of metal money squeezed economies).

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

You are right...lighter is better.  The less bulk someone has, even if it's extreme muscle mass and not fat, the better off they are long-term with this problem.

Not just weight, but the amount of punishment. Not having to go head to head with lineman in the run game, for instance.

17 minutes ago, Peppersmacks said:

So when did you start complaining?  During the Super Bowl parade?  The year after where they were one drop from potentially returning to the conference championship?  Or did you start crying the year after when they lost to the Seahawks after a cheap shot to their QB and played the rest of the game with a one-legged backup QB?   

The only thing reviewing the archives would show me is that you are a perpetual complainer.

Don't really feel like engaging with you anymore but since you think I'm crying about it I figured I would try to explain one more time.  

Discussing the Eagles issues and pointing them out is not crying.  To look at the Eagles and to say that they are an organization that is severely flawed and in need of major changes is not crying, it's pointing out the obvious.  Again, if you can't see that this team needs help then you need to take off your fan midnight green glasses. 

I consider myself a very objective fan.  I don't let myself get too high when things go well and also don't get too low when things are crap.  The Eagles suck right now.  It's not crying or complaining.  It's stating the obvious.  I was vocal in 2018 that they needed to be careful with how they built the team moving forward.  You could see across the board they had aging and expensive players, had not been drafting well at all,  had a flawed plan of bringing in more aging players, weren't surrounding Carson with any young talent and refused to focus on certain positions on defense (CB, S).  

I give the Eagles credit when credit is due and I love when things are going well.  Who wouldn't?  But when things are bad, I'm going to point it out.  

We all have different opinions and ways of thinking in how we want the Eagles to be built.  I disagree with the way the Eagles have gone about things.  I'm on an Eagles message board to discuss all things good and bad related to Eagles football and for the most part engage in very good conversation with Eagles fans on here, even when we disagree.  I don't agree with the way AF slobs over Howie but I do appreciate the fact that he sticks to his guns and defends his way of thinking very well.  

 

6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Apparently Pitts is going everywhere but Philly and there will be 29 guys taken with the first 11 picks.  So we are F!  

This is what happens every year. People (some of them are really smart) seem to lose the ability to count when it comes to draft projections. Its absurd, but always comical

41 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

I read an interesting book on that a few years back.  While the writing style was bordering on extremely dull, it talked about how to marry the data with the real world application of it.   My concern with Lurie is the stats would fit the narrative he wants because he is CEO, rather than being a useful exercise. I wouldn't be surprised if Doug turned up, said a bunch of random crap and left the meeting thinking, nah, won't do any of that.

Anyone that works with data to produce analytics knows how easy it is to create a perspective that suits what you want.

One problem is most people who get MS in statistics know math but not methodology.

I've forgotten all my econometrics except for the intuition, which is why I studied it in the first place, I'm not good enough at math to make a living at it, but I wanted to read econometric studies and know the "tricks" the researcher is playing (i.e. go deeper than cherry picking the conclusions).

Sports are a multi-period game where the underlying parameters change as coaches tweak strategy, and analytics actually create some of that change by guiding those tweaks.

The right way to use analytics is as a guide, if the numbers suggest a correlation, go look for both the causation factors and how they might change as people react to this knowledge. Then model the strategy, and test your model with the data. Rinse and repeat.

In sports, a key to identifying causation is film and experienced coaches, the analytic guys should have enough football knowledge to sit with coaches, and instead of saying the numbers say do this, ask questions, "the numbers suggest this, why do you think this is happening?"

Heck with fiat money  , just load up on btc  , won’t be long until most countries create their own digital currency 

coinbase goes public This week  , share price will probably be in 360.00 per share

It's 2021 and people are still surprised that that Doug Pederson didn't want to play rookies/young players over veterans.

From Josh Perskins over Dallas Goedert in 2018 to Alshon over Fulgham in 2020, this happened repeatedly. Hard to blame the front office for being upset.

Eagles have been a successful franchise for two decades, they are entering the inevitable rebuild phase, if they still suck in 2025, the organization is dysfunctional, but coming off a SB and three playoff appearances, 2020 isn't exactly "a trend."

Going back to 2010, Dallas has made the POs 3 times in 11 seasons, and only 4 seasons with 9 or more wins. That's dysfunction!

Now come 2023, I expect this team to be competitive again, I can live with a 3 year total rebuild.

But I don't want to be the Giants, since their last SB, 2 winning seasons, 1 PO appearance in 9 seasons.

And let's not get started with the Washington "no names." 29 years since they won a SB, 7 PO appearances, (3) 10 win seasons in that stretch.

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

What the central bankers are worried about today is deflation, which can lead to a Japanese type stagnation worldwide.

Microeconomists think they're physicists, Macroeconomists are first and foremost empiricists these days. The only Macroeconomists who buy into the rational man model are the conservative rational expectation guys who've fallen out of fashion.

Krugman is an international trade guy, he's gone downhill since he became a celebrity economist.

My mantra has always been that of Box:  "All models are wrong, some models are useful."

Fed Chairman have to "pull levers," because anything they do has consequences, including doing nothing. They can't help but control the money supply, the question is how they control it. The reason to coordinate policy is to avoid the race to the bottom. There is no alternative, the Gold Standard is crazy, because it holds money supply hostage to the mining industry (history shows that metallic standards cause massive fluctuations as metal supply varies, new silver supplies triggered wide spread inflation, lack of metal money squeezed economies).

The Japanese zombie economy is precisely because of their monetary policy. Economists are worried about Japanese style deflation... so they do the exact same thing that Japan did? In what alternate universe does this make sense?

No, Fed Chairs do not "have” to pull levers. They do it because they need to justify their existence. They cause the problems with their policy and then offer a doubling down of their policy as the solution as if it weren’t the problem in the first place.

And no, the gold standard isn’t crazy. It’s far more rational than a fiat system, however imperfect a gold standard may be. It is precisely because gold requires mining that it is useful. It is precisely because governments can’t expand the money supply by fiat that it has value. The entire point is to keep the central bankers in check, because when you don’t, you end up with ZIRP, NIRP, debt traps, endless monetary expansion and lost decades like in Japan — which you seem to think is the problem.

The point of deflationary pressures is that bad debts have to be eliminated. When acres of land in Japan are worth as much as California, the problem isn’t deflationary pressure. Deflationary pressure is the solution. Prices SHOULD deflate. But instead of embracing the much needed Darwinian purge, taking your medicine, and then moving on, policy makers fight this needed correction tooth and nail. It’s absolute insanity.

Mostly agreed with the second part though. Krugman is a moron but being a celeb only magnified his idiotic pontificating and put a spotlight on how much of a moron he is in.

10 minutes ago, RLC said:

It's 2021 and people are still surprised that that Doug Pederson didn't want to play rookies/young players over veterans.

From Josh Perskins over Dallas Goedert in 2018 to Alshon over Fulgham in 2020, this happened repeatedly. Hard to blame the front office for being upset.

Schwartz was the same. They were the right coaches in 2016, the wrong coaches once the team got old.

Howie tried to get them what they wanted (Schwartz loves him some DTs), now it's time to move on.

All I ask from Sirianni is help build a team, if he does so, he earns a couple years to try and win with the team he built.

2 minutes ago, TEW said:

The Japanese zombie economy is precisely because of their monetary policy. Economists are worried about Japanese style deflation... so they do the exact same thing that Japan did? In what alternate universe does this make sense?

No, Fed Chairs do not "have” to pull levers. They do it because they need to justify their existence. They cause the problems with their policy and then offer a doubling down of their policy as the solution as if it weren’t the problem in the first place.

And no, the gold standard isn’t crazy. It’s far more rational than a fiat system, however imperfect a gold standard may be. It is precisely because gold requires mining that it is useful. It is precisely because governments can’t expand the money supply by fiat that it has value. The entire point is to keep the central bankers in check, because when you don’t, you end up with ZIRP, NIRP, debt traps, endless monetary expansion and lost decades like in Japan — which you seem to think is the problem.

The point of deflationary pressures is that bad debts have to be eliminated. When acres of land in Japan are worth as much as California, the problem isn’t deflationary pressure. Deflationary pressure is the solution. Prices SHOULD deflate. But instead of embracing the much needed Darwinian purge, taking your medicine, and then moving on, policy makers fight this needed correction tooth and nail. It’s absolute insanity.

Mostly agreed with the second part though. Krugman is a moron but being a celeb only magnified his idiotic pontificating and put a spotlight on how much of a moron he is in.

So what's your economics background?

11 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Heck with fiat money  , just load up on btc  , won’t be long until most countries create their own digital currency 

coinbase goes public This week  , share price will probably be in 360.00 per share

Digital currencies by a central bank will still be fiat with a limitless supply. The only difference is they are going to try to implement further control on what you can buy and how you can transact. Hell, the idea of behavioral economics being applied at the individual level is already being floated. They literally want to assign individuals their own interest rate. Pure insanity.

BTC and other cryptos are finding such extraordinary prices precisely because they have rational monetary policy and are outside the direct control of governments.