1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

This is the kid that Roseman has running around talking down to coaches and others in the organization. 

 

Should of got jonah Hill.😒

 

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

This is the kid that Roseman has running around talking down to coaches and others in the organization. 

 

Nice, it all makes sense now. 

15 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

Behind a paywall.  

From what others have said this all sounds like old news.  Lurie is meddling.  Coaches are not respected by the organization.

It is mostly stuff that should be well known and understood by now.  This organization is headed nowhere good until structural changes are made at the top, culture is changed, and qualified people are brought in and empowered to lead.

this was notable.... Dawkins involved 2016-2018 and what he said internally when he left...

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Roseman has the final say over the roster. Any draft pick, trade or signing — good or bad — is on his record. Yet behind the scenes, there’s lingering ambiguity about how decisions are made. For an organization that publicly touts collaboration as if it’s offering a TED Talk on intraoffice cohesion, the lack of collaboration became a common refrain among those with knowledge of the decision-making process.

Coaches wanted their evaluations taken into account or felt like certain players were forced upon them, scouts didn’t understand why picks didn’t correspond with an established methodology, and other staffers were unsure how their analysis was being applied in decisions. Departments became siloed — or even pitted against each other — and the lack of collaboration made finger-pointing easier.

"Building that coalition and leading that group to work together in a constructive way is not Howie’s strength,” one source said. "In fact, it’s one of his weaknesses.”

Roseman is known to keep his own draft board, and scouts who spend months on the road evaluating players can feel marginalized when the rankings they’ve helped assemble are not followed. One source described Roseman pushing an assistant coach to give playing time to a recent draft pick while the assistant balanced conflicting recommendations from senior members of the coaching staff. Lurie, who regularly attends practice, inquired about a reserve’s playing time. There’s been confusion about why certain players were active and others were inactive on game days, with speculation centered on Roseman’s outsized influence on the game-day roster.

"Those are the types (of things) that happened where there’s no collaboration,” another source said.

Hall of Famer Brian Dawkins, who worked in the front office from 2016 to 2018, once delivered an impassioned speech in the team’s draft room to a group of employees in football operations. For those who had never seen that side of Dawkins up close, it was a stirring experience. With trademark intensity, the franchise icon spoke about his passion for the organization and addressed an office culture he said needed more teamwork, less in-fighting.

In other words, a house divided against itself cannot stand.

 

7 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

This is the kid that Roseman has running around talking down to coaches and others in the organization. 

 

There's our future Howie to run the show with future Lurie

1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

https://theathletic.com/2506187/2021/04/12/paranoia-mismanagement-and-office-politics-inside-the-eagles-downfall-under-jeffrey-lurie-howie-roseman/

 

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10158557045648052&id=57835308051

This isn't the article just a summary as the actual article is behind a pay wall

3 minutes ago, John_C said:

It is mostly stuff that should be well known and understood by now.  This organization is headed nowhere good until structural changes are made at the top, culture is changed, and qualified people are brought in and empowered to lead.

this was notable.... Dawkins involved 2016-2018 and what he said internally when he left...

 

None of this is surprising. I just want the people who are fed up to just stop watching for a year. Let them know that people don't want to see this. Otherwise you are literally insane to keep watching and expecting a change

20 minutes ago, John_C said:

Must read.  Clown show...

The Clown Show is the 3 people who wrote the article.  Someone posted one of their podcasts on here a while back -- nothing but whining and complaining, and no analysis.

-- New strength and conditioning coaches; let's see if they can get the massive injury epidemic of the past 3-4 seasons reduced to the league average

-- New Head Coach and coordinators; let's see if they get this team playing hard every Sunday.  The players may have liked Doug, but they didn't play hard for him (eg. Zach Ertz, 'nuff said)

-- Talent evaluation is huge.  No more Nate Gerry, no more Jalen Mills, no more washed Jason Peters.  Now let's start upgrading on the Greg Wards and Boston Scotts of the roster; getting Maddox away from outside CB is a huge start

-- Balance the offense.  Knock off the goofy analytics.

 

These are the important areas for improvement.  The owner doesn't dictate a pass/run ratio; that's pure B.S.  Even if he said it to me as head coach in a discussion after a game I'd ask him "Do you wanna pass, or do you wanna win?"  Owners just want a winning team; Lurie couldn't care less how it gets done or how pretty it is.

53 minutes ago, austinfan said:

No. Specialized financial transactions is not "economics experience."

Much of trading is the Keynes "beauty contest," knowing how your counterparts think, not how the underlying fundamentals work.

What is often forgotten are the "losers" in trading are often as smart as the winners, just not as lucky (like a gambler, you win a few trades/deals you get the leeway to go .500 the rest of your career, lose your first few trades, you don't have a career). For one thing, they're all chosen from a similar talent pool.

This has been shown by numerous studies of financial professionals, that few sustain long-term success that can't be explained by luck.

losers are always blaming externalities like luck or ageism...

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The Clown Show is the 3 people who wrote the article.  Someone posted one of their podcasts on here a while back -- nothing but whining and complaining, and no analysis.

-- New strength and conditioning coaches; let's see if they can get the massive injury epidemic of the past 3-4 seasons reduced to the league average

-- New Head Coach and coordinators; let's see if they get this team playing hard every Sunday.  The players may have liked Doug, but they didn't play hard for him (eg. Zach Ertz, 'nuff said)

-- Talent evaluation is huge.  No more Nate Gerry, no more Jalen Mills, no more washed Jason Peters.  Now let's start upgrading on the Greg Wards and Boston Scotts of the roster; getting Maddox away from outside CB is a huge start

-- Balance the offense.  Knock off the goofy analytics.

 

These are the important areas for improvement.  The owner doesn't dictate a pass/run ratio; that's pure B.S.  Even if he said it to me as head coach in a discussion after a game I'd ask him "Do you wanna pass, or do you wanna win?"  Owners just want a winning team; Lurie couldn't care less how it gets done or how pretty it is.

So, you know this for a fact?

7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The Clown Show is the 3 people who wrote the article.  Someone posted one of their podcasts on here a while back -- nothing but whining and complaining, and no analysis.

 

 

These are the important areas for improvement.  The owner doesn't dictate a pass/run ratio; that's pure B.S.  Even if he said it to me as head coach in a discussion after a game I'd ask him "Do you wanna pass, or do you wanna win?"  Owners just want a winning team; Lurie couldn't care less how it gets done or how pretty it is.

 

Except Lurie was dictating run passing ratio in their Tuesday meetings. 

34 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Have not ready the whole article yet, but some snippets

Pederson met with the FO every Tuesday, and even after wins, he was being criticized for running the ball to much.  Apparently Lurie was not happy with the Green Bay win when we ran the ball down their throat, and wants to be a passing team.

Also talk about the meeting with Schwartz to start the Super Bowl season, they were vetting him to replace Pederson as they did not think he would make it through the season and they would have to make a coaching change mid season.

 

 

I just cant believe this to be true.  Not to mention the part about winning by 3 not being good enough.

It's hard to trust media and "sources" so I think some of this is a little stretched.  I'm sure other things are true but not all of it.  

A bit more of a breakdown.

Kapadia, Zach Berman, and Bo Wulf of The Athletic published an expansive story detailing the inner-workings of the Eagles "downfall” and "office politics.”

The story is behind a paywall; I encourage everyone to subscribe to The Athletic, both for this story but generally great Philadelphia sports content. I have gathered a few nuggets, most of which have been published publicly:
1. The article chiefly describes a front office in complete turmoil. Most notably, a huge divide between the scouting staff, analytics team, and Howie Roseman. Jeff Lurie’s increasing involvement adds to a tense environment that ultimately led to Doug Pederson’s firing.
2. When Brian Dawkins worked for the front office, he made a powerful speech with a central message of more teamwork and less in-fighting.
3. As has been previously reported, Lurie began questioning Doug’s decision making weekly and forced him to fire Mike Groh and Carson Walch.
4. The trio also confirmed more reporting from Jeff McLane: that there were "doubts” about Frank Reich and Pederson pushed hard to keep him involved after the 2016 season.
5. The article has confirms earlier reports that Lurie pushed for JJ Arcega-Whiteside and Jalen Hurts in the draft room, despite recommendations from the scouting staff to go elsewhere.
6. General takeaway: Lurie is too involved, Roseman has done a poor job fostering a collaborative work environment, the scouting staff has grown increasingly frustrated, and all of these factors together are leading to public pressure on Roseman/Lurie in the form of these kinds of articles.

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

So a BS in Business?

A PhD in the real world.

13 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The Clown Show is the 3 people who wrote the article.  Someone posted one of their podcasts on here a while back -- nothing but whining and complaining, and no analysis.

Four weeks into the 2019 season, Doug Pederson sat down for his scheduled inquisition.

The Tuesday tribunals with team owner Jeffrey Lurie and general manager Howie Roseman were a weekly occurrence during Pederson’s five-year tenure as Eagles head coach. In the meetings, Lurie and Roseman questioned Pederson about all aspects of his game management the week prior. Fourth-down decision-making, play calling, personnel choices — everything was on the table.

Days earlier, the team overcame a 10-0 second-quarter deficit to beat Aaron Rodgers and the Packers 34-27 and even its record at 2-2. The offensive key to the win was a steady dose of the running game that took advantage of Green Bay’s defensive game plan.

Apparently, that wasn’t good enough. Lurie, who has long advocated the use of analytics, wanted to know why Pederson hadn’t called more passing plays. The interrogation was the same after another win that season — this time in Buffalo on a day with 23 mph winds.

3 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I just cant believe this to be true.  Not to mention the part about winning by 3 not being good enough.

It's hard to trust media and "sources" so I think some of this is a little stretched.  I'm sure other things are true but not all of it.  

There's been like 3 to 4 different people that are unrelated report now that Lurie wants to win by passing the ball. 

 

Somehow I find it hard to imagine forcing Pederson to pass the ball, Reich yes, but Doug?

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

There's been like 3 to 4 different people that are unrelated report now that Lurie wants to win by passing the ball. 

 

Who are these 3-4 people?

2 hours ago, mattmcginley7 said:

Did you just say Bitcoin has value because of its digital properties: "they have rational monetary policy"? 

I'm proud 

I don’t know why you’re surprised. That doesn’t mean they don’t have incredible headline risk and it doesn’t mean they don’t get bid up in wild speculation.

My view on BTC from the start was headline risk. That was more or less resolved in the past few years, so I don’t think it’s going away at this point. There are still other issues like China’s strangle hold on mining, which they would certainly have no qualms with weaponizing if it came to it.

1 minute ago, Desertbirds said:

So, you know this for a fact?

Well, he's not on the sidelines for games and he's not wearing a headset or talking on the phone -- so I'm gonna go ahead and say yes.

It's not grade school.  The head coach isn't a 9 year-old kid.  It's a dialogue.  Do I believe head coaches have meetings with GMs and maybe even owners each week after games?  Sure.  Do I believe the GM and even owner reinforce their vision of what they want the offense/defense philosophy to be regularly through the season?  Maybe.  Do I believe any qualified head coach takes marching orders each week from the owner that he should pass the ball more?  Nope.

I've said this before.  The head coach is involved with the GM in setting the 53-man roster, but the GM has final say because of financial and contract implications.  Once that 53-man roster is set, it belongs to the coaches.  Strategy belongs to the coaches.  Game planning belongs to the coaches.  Roster moves belongs to the coaches.  The head coach and assistant coaches are 100% accountable for the W-L record and all on-field activities; as such the coaches need final say.  All of this would/should be agreed upon in the interviews.

GM wants to trade for Golden Tate?  He should be discussing it with Doug

GM wants to trade for Genard Avery?  He should be discussing it with Schwartz.

If the coaches can't use them, Howie shouldn't be giving up draft capital for them.  If he was, then that would qualify as dysfunction.  If Doug couldn't tell Howie/Lurie that he is in charge on all on-field activities, that would also qualify as dysfunction.  I suspect Doug didn't have the stones to do it and got frustrated rather than taking a stand.

51 minutes ago, John_C said:

Must read.  Clown show...

To the point where this team needs to be boycotted until crap changes. Total joke 

Imagine still being a Roseman/Lurie apologist in 2021.

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

5. The article has confirms earlier reports that Lurie pushed for JJ Arcega-Whiteside and Jalen Hurts in the draft room, despite recommendations from the scouting staff to go elsewhere.
6. General takeaway: Lurie is too involved, Roseman has done a poor job fostering a collaborative work environment, the scouting staff has grown increasingly frustrated, and all of these factors together are leading to public pressure on Roseman/Lurie in the form of these kinds of articles.

Depressing article.

(5) really confirms why we picked Jalen Hurts and JJAW.  Those picks makes more sense if you have an owner who spent too much time watching college football games.  He's playing Madden in real life Jeff Lurie sounds like a Jerry Jones wannabe.  Except he's probably not as good at drafting people as Jerry Jones.  It may be a while before we start winning again.

2 minutes ago, TEW said:

I don’t know why you’re surprised. That doesn’t mean they don’t have incredible headline risk and it doesn’t mean they don’t get bid up in wild speculation.

My view on BTC from the start was headline risk. That was more or less resolved in the past few years, so I don’t think it’s going away at this point. There are still other issues like China’s strangle hold on mining, which they would certainly have no qualms with weaponizing if it came to it.

Trouble with btc right now is , the whales own most of it , average person can’t afford it , glad I bought in early , but you can buy as little 25 dollars worth , so over time more and more will own it , very small % of Americans own it 

as far as mining , there is already 18 million of the 21 million in circulation , the last 3 million will happen over decades 

you figure Satoshi , the creator , is sitting on a million coins , since 2009 , and hasn’t moved 1of them

And you need the stomach for it , it will move up and down 20% in 36 hours

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Not so fast.  Ever go to winebeserkers.com?  I never post there (this is the only message board I have time to waste time on)....but I go there to find some opinions.  The fights they get into over wine make politics and football look like child’s play.

I should join that forum as a troll.  My only rule with wine is that I try to spend about $10 a bottle.  It's kind of the opposite of scotch.  

This is why it's so hard to get excited about having 4 picks inside the top 100 for 2021 and potentially 4 1st round picks over the next 2 years.  I have ZERO faith in this organization to do the right thing with any of the picks.