I read some good things about Griffin. 

 

I don't really get the Eagles strategy here if I'm honest. I know you can't fill every hole in one off season but they've screwed Gannon and this defense.

12 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I don't really get the Eagles strategy here if I'm honest. I know you can't fill every hole in one off season but they've screwed Gannon and this defense.

Strategy as I see it is based around the QB position.

1) hedge bet on Hurts by acquiring 2022 draft resources to replace him if needed.

2) bring in talent to give Hurts a fair shot at success.

They’re hoping Hurts can be the guy, but aren’t sold on him. If Hurts blows up this year, great, they can bring in a ton of talent with all those picks next year. If Hurts flops, then you at least have the pieces in place already for a new QB with Smith, Reagor, Goedert, and a younger offensive line.

Makes total sense to me at least.

8 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I don't really get the Eagles strategy here if I'm honest. I know you can't fill every hole in one off season but they've screwed Gannon and this defense.

They’ve only had 3 picks.  They drafted the best WR on the board at their slot, then drafted the most versatile top-tier IOL player at #37 (if healthy).  Their 3rd round pick is a versatile DL player that can contribute at DE or DT.

I’d have drafted a CB in Round 3 myself, but obviously the Eagles feel better about their secondary than most fans do.  They will have a pick at #123, then essentially a 6-pack of wheel spins in the late rounds.

IOL was always going to be a strong possibility with Kelce going into his final season and Brooks and Johnson both being over 30.  I like the Dickerson pick, as an eternal optimist.

Nasirildeen is about the only player left on D that I had pre-draft interest in, along with Weaver from PIT (but he’s another DE).  I’m in a position now where I’ll just have to accept who gets called tomorrow 

1 minute ago, TEW said:

Strategy as I see it is based around the QB position.

1) hedge bet on Hurts by acquiring 2022 draft resources to replace him if needed.

But the draft resources they have next year will likely end up being used to get a QB. And that leaves the roster still devoid of talent. 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

I’d have drafted a CB in Round 3 myself, but obviously the Eagles feel better about their secondary than most fans do.  They will have a pick at #123, then essentially a 6-pack of wheel spins in the late rounds.

And this is why it is so ridiculous. How can they feel good about their secondary? Who do they have opposite Slay? We are going to have to watch Maddox make a fool of himself again aren't we.

2 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

And this is why it is so ridiculous. How can they feel good about their secondary? Who do they have opposite Slay? We are going to have to watch Maddox make a fool of himself again aren't we.

I doubt it; I think slot CB will be Maddox’s last opportunity to stay on the roster.  They’d likely throw Jacquet out there again over Maddox on the outside.  Probably go with a combination of Harris, Wallace, and McLeod at safety, and Howie said something about "more than one way to skin a cat” at CB.

If the Eagles miss CB in the draft, Howie will likely use the money from cutting Ertz’s arse toward a FA CB of some sort.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

I doubt it; I think slot CB will be Maddox’s last opportunity to stay on the roster.  They’d likely throw Jacquet out there again over Maddox on the outside.  Probably go with a combination of Harris, Wallace, and McLeod at safety, and Howie said something about "more than one way to skin a cat” at CB.

If the Eagles miss CB in the draft, Howie will likely use the money from cutting Ertz’s arse toward a FA CB of some sort.

I mean Jacquet flashed a little but putting him opposite Slay every week is just going to be a flat out disaster.

59 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I don't really get the Eagles strategy here if I'm honest. I know you can't fill every hole in one off season but they've screwed Gannon and this defense.

Every year it’s the same thing: "we need to get better players on offense now, we can fix the defense next year” Then mid way through the year everyone’s pissed when low tier players forced into starting roles on our D cost us games(Maddox, Gerry, Mills, etc)  

Everyone’s using the we got a ton of resources in 2022 card now. Wait and see when Hurts ends up being an average not so special QB how quick everyone’s gonna turn to "use our 2022 picks to get a real QB, we need one now, we can fix the defense in 2023”  

 

1 minute ago, wtfcares said:

Everyone’s using the we got a ton of resources in 2022 card now. Wait and see when Hurts ends up being an average not so special QB how quick everyone’s gonna turn to "use our 2022 picks to get a real QB, we need one now, we can fix the defense in 2023”  

And this is exactly where I'm at. If Hurts is not really good then they are going to be looking at QB next year. Whether they look to move up for a QB in the draft or whether they go after a guy like Watson. They'll use those assets next year on a QB and then the roster won't get the rebuild that it desperately needs. 

2 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

And this is exactly where I'm at. If Hurts is not really good then they are going to be looking at QB next year. Whether they look to move up for a QB in the draft or whether they go after a guy like Watson. They'll use those assets next year on a QB and then the roster won't get the rebuild that it desperately needs. 

I think you guys make a fair counter point to the draft strategy, I went into this draft hoping/thinking it’s really time to invest some high end young defensive talent after neglecting the defense in first 2 rounds since 2017. So I understand your position. But I think you have to really consider How the board fell. Horn went at 8, Surtain at 9. I’m glad they didn’t trade up to 8, that likely means they part with a more valuable pick than 84. And trading up to 9 for Surtain obviously wasn’t in play. 
You also have to consider that this draft, especially the top half, was much stronger with offensive talent over defense. They were close to losing out on the last of blue chip offensive talent, and the only blue chip defender left (Parsons) would of been a really bad pick. It was a great call for Howie to trade up. 
 

That said, I do wonder if it would of been better if hypothetically Howie stayed at 12 & got the Chicago offer. Then trade down & take Farley/Newsome. Also, though Im fine with the Dickerson pick I would of preferred a CB at 37. 
 

Eagles will likely be picking really high again next year. Wouldnt rush to assume that most of these high 2022 picks will have to be used to trade up for a QB. We don’t have really any idea about 2022 guys yet, and Nobody in 2020 expected there to be 5 QB drafted in top 15 of this draft. 

6 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

 

6 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

 

6 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Logically, Donohue would react that way because they missed out on a higher rated player. 

I think you are spot on.  I read this wrong.  I thought they traded down so Carolina could take the OT the Giants wanted.  

It looks like Gettleman fleeced us.  I’m sure he will be bitter for a long time about Smith.  But he took the CB we wanted.  Robinson does look like an excellent prospect with starting CB potential.

6 hours ago, RLC said:

The draft is a crapshoot. We traded back knowing we'd get an extra pick and at worst, one of the the 2 DTs we'd take at 73. If one went ahead of us, which happened, we'd go with the other.

That's just smart EVEN if you prefer the other guy. Tom Donahue is old-school. Those scouts want "their guys". 

Incorrect!  Trading down for a worthless additional 6th in a historically thin 2.5 round draft is NOT smart.  Take the better player, don’t get cute with adding assets of such nominal value and missing out.

I do agree of course it is a crapshoot, and Williams also seems like a good prospect who could end up being great.  But that doesn’t mean the process isn’t bad.  For many years we’ve needed to empower a Tom Donahue or someone like him and the clowns should be in another room.  Team would be in much better shape with much better players.

6 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Sure sounds like we missed our guy...

Yes.  Clearly what happened.

Now we will keep an eye on the Williams vs Robinson comparison....

17 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

So I understand your position. But I think you have to really consider How the board fell. Horn went at 8, Surtain at 9. I’m glad they didn’t trade up to 8, that likely means they part with a more valuable pick than 84. And trading up to 9 for Surtain obviously wasn’t in play. 
You also have to consider that this draft, especially the top half, was much stronger with offensive talent over defense. They were close to losing out on the last of blue chip offensive talent, and the only blue chip defender left (Parsons) would of been a really bad pick. It was a great call for Howie to trade up. 

I have no issue with the Smith pick. The way the board fell they did the right thing. Smith was one of those in play at #6 and then at #12. Overall that was a good move by Howie (on paper at this time) and he walks away with credit for that whole process. 

But the Dickerson pick? I just think it's flawed because of that injury record. He can't stay healthy and coming to Philly with our track record I don't think that's about to change. 

4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I don't really get the Eagles strategy here if I'm honest. I know you can't fill every hole in one off season but they've screwed Gannon and this defense.

Strategy is to add the best possible talent through the draft, regardless of need. DeVonta is DeVonta, Dickerson has All-Pro potential with injury risks, Milton has the traits to be a high level starter.

They are not looking at the draft to fill short to mid term needs, I think Howie could careless if they win 3 games next year. This is a long rebuild as far as the FO is concerned and they are just accumulating the best possible talent they can for that.

1 hour ago, John_C said:

I think you are spot on.  I read this wrong.  I thought they traded down so Carolina could take the OT the Giants wanted.  

It looks like Gettleman fleeced us.  I’m sure he will be bitter for a long time about Smith.  But he took the CB we wanted.  Robinson does look like an excellent prospect with starting CB potential.

Incorrect!  Trading down for a worthless additional 6th in a historically thin 2.5 round draft is NOT smart.  Take the better player, don’t get cute with adding assets of such nominal value and missing out.

I do agree of course it is a crapshoot, and Williams also seems like a good prospect who could end up being great.  But that doesn’t mean the process isn’t bad.  For many years we’ve needed to empower a Tom Donahue or someone like him and the clowns should be in another room.  Team would be in much better shape with much better players.

Yes.  Clearly what happened.

Now we will keep an eye on the Williams vs Robinson comparison....

We missed Donohue's guy not "our guy."

Howie said he followed the board, unless he's lying, it means there were a number of players ranked evenly.

Robinson for example, is no sure thing. He may not have fit what Gannon is looking for.

Williams certainly wasn't a reach, he's a gamble, a bit of a tweener, but tremendous athlete with far more upside than Robinson.

26 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Strategy is to add the best possible talent through the draft, regardless of need. DeVonta is DeVonta, Dickerson has All-Pro potential with injury risks, Milton has the traits to be a high level starter.

They are not looking at the draft to fill short to mid term needs, I think Howie could careless if they win 3 games next year. This is a long rebuild as far as the FO is concerned and they are just accumulating the best possible talent they can for that.

They did that with DeVonta but they ignored the red flags with Dickerson. I agree there's a lot of upside but the guy can't stay healthy. 

Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

They did that with DeVonta but they ignored the red flags with Dickerson. I agree there's a lot of upside but the guy can't stay healthy. 

That's the crux of it, he stays healthy and you have an All-Pro lineman.

DIckerson may well have been BPA, the two DBs who went after him, Moehring and Joseph, are flawed prospects. Moehring was better in 2019 than 2020, a red flag, while Joseph is raw. So if the medicals checked out on Dickerson, he was a 1st rd value - he did play 24 straight games for Alabama before blowing out his ACL, if it was a simple tear, that's routine surgery these days. The DBs were not considered 1st rd value. Indy used #6 and #37 on guards when Reich arrived, after using #18 on a center two years before - so interior OL play seems a vital part of the Reich scheme that Sirianni will probably implement.

There were no reaches, there were two gambles on value, Dickerson on health and Williams on size v athleticism.

The 6th rd has real value b/c UDFAs are going to be very weak this year and waiver wire pickings will be slim, given the small draft class. So you'd better load up on those third day picks to fill out the roster and the PS. This is more of an issue for weak teams, better teams will probably trade up into the 4th round today to get players with a real shot of cracking their rosters and contributing this season.

5 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

Some bad stuff comes out about Barmore and somehow he ends up with the Pats, that’s way to convenient

I think Dickerson’s injury clearance by the Eagles was ridiculous,  but I do like the prospect, so whatever.

Aside from that, my only issue with the draft is that they have only made 3 picks in the first 3 rounds (despite starting with 4).  I was hoping they’d condense their useless glut of late round picks into a day 1-2 trade up or at least an extra mid round pick.  They may cut more rookie draft picks out of camp this year than they ever have in franchise history of the 7 round draft.

Otherwise, I’m not unhappy with this draft.

 

31 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

That's the crux of it, he stays healthy and you have an All-Pro lineman.

Absolutely yeah! But with this team I just have no faith.