GreenbleedinNC Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 1 hour ago, stine said: I think we need O-Line help, but not at tackle. Mailata and Dillard on the left. Johnson and Driscoll on the right is good. Mailata is only going to get better and he was great against the run last year. We still do not know what we have with dillard, a previous #1 pick. So I feel OT is NOT a position they go after at all in this draft. Center is one that could be weak if Kelce goes. Guard is weak also. Those two positions are needed much more than OT IMO. Most of our issues were in the middle last season. Mailata started off a bit shaky but ended up doing a fine job. With Brooks and seumalo out guard was terrible. Herbig was the only reliable guard and he was hurt part of the season. I see Vaitai is working out pretty well (more failure to identify and use players correctly). I hope that BS is over too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenbleedinNC Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said: See mailata is a giant assumption and lots of talk we looking to trade Dillard... Driscoll I think will be better at G. Lots of time left until the draft but definitely see OT as high on our list I don't, deep class(same with WR's). We can get a decent enough one later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
time2rock Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 Kelce announces on IG he’ll be back in 2021 (also mentions he restructured his deal assuming to further create cap relief). https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/05/jason-kelce-restructures-contract-will-be-back-with-eagles/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenbleedinNC Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 1 hour ago, stine said: So we do away with two TE sets? Ertz and Geodart were tough matchups when they were both on the field. We lose Ertz and do not replace him then we scratch those formations. Rodgers won't put fear in any defenses.... Exactly. Pitts offers us MORE than "just another STUD TE" He can be used ANYWHERE on the field(see JJ except better yet!!)). If he is there and we pass, we are dumber than 20 boxes of rocks. You are getting a STUD TE and a STUD WR with 1 pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenbleedinNC Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 1 hour ago, stine said: I guess we will see. I thought Driscoll played well when Johnson was out and tackle is much more difficult position to play. Not sure why they would move him to guard if he does well at tackle. We differ on Mailata obviously. 3 years playing football and at 23 I see a bright future for him. I saw him toss 350 pound DL men 5 yards downfield. I still want ONE play, where he is a FB. let him truck some people. That would put a smile on his face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenbleedinNC Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 1 hour ago, stine said: I wonder how much say the coaches will have (if any) for this draft. Don't we have come assistants from College ranks? I would think they would know better than some scouts about some players.... The guy we got from FL knows all about the FL players and there are many on the O side Pitts, Toney, Grimes, Trask all come to mind. They can pick his "insider info" brain. I like either Shi Smith(SC) or Grimes(FL) in round 5 and since there is no combine this year,it may behoove us to grab Grimes,simply because we have a coach who knows him well and he did a nice job in the Senior Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenbleedinNC Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 10 minutes ago, time2rock said: Kelce announces on IG he’ll be back in 2021 (also mentions be restructured his deal assuming to further create cap relief). https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/05/jason-kelce-restructures-contract-will-be-back-with-eagles/ Good news,that buys us a year(or 2). If we're not sold on Herbig, I suspect we find a few UDFA's. I really want a C specialist, not an OG/C. I would personally ask Kelce who HE would reco to follow in his wake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenbleedinNC Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 IDK why we are assuming a round 1 OT draft pick would be immediately better than Mailata. SO Mail didn't play in HS,didn't play in college either,but he has starting time in. And we also have Dillard(still want to try him at LOG in camp just to know). I can learn to flip burgers at 16 or 56, doesn't really matter and this is a deep class,so even if I wasn't sold on Mailiata,I will find one later in the draft. I see no need to spend a round 1 pick. We were (supposedly) trying(fail) to get Wentz weapons. We found out we had adequate BU's at WR, still I think we need to finish what we started. Taking Pitts is the easiest solution IMO,then I can work on D most of the way,although I think we best find a decent RB if we don't pick up Mack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stine Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 11 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said: Good news,that buys us a year(or 2). If we're not sold on Herbig, I suspect we find a few UDFA's. I really want a C specialist, not an OG/C. I would personally ask Kelce who HE would reco to follow in his wake. Seumalo was drafted as a C, remember...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenbleedinNC Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, stine said: Seumalo was drafted as a C, remember...? Yeah,what I mean is we need to know BEFORE hand how the guys we draft will be used. Don't care what they were called in college. Alot of college OT's project as OG's in the NFL right?. So they are listed as OT"s but we draft them as OG's. If we drafted him as a C,then changed him to G,we missed KNOWING what his projected position was(aka, ok let's try THIS lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenbleedinNC Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, stine said: Seumalo was drafted as a C, remember...? Same thing with Pitts. Listed as a TE. he could easily be listed as a top 6 WR no??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stine Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 14 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said: Same thing with Pitts. Listed as a TE. he could easily be listed as a top 6 WR no??? Whoever drafts Pitts will list him as a TE. They don't get paid nearly as much as WR's. Pitts was being compared to Calvin Johnson as far as ability. That is one tall order.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsb235 Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 It is interesting that Kelce is coming back and Slay has restructured. Slay could have told the team that he doesn't think they will be able to compete and to trade him, and Kelce could have asked for a trade or retired. It makes me think that the players believe this team has a chance to be competitive. The Kelce decision means oline is probably not going to be a target in the first three rounds. Mailata/Dillard, Seumalo/Opeta, Kelce/Juriga, Brooks/Herbig, Lane/Driscoll are most likely the top 10 guys. Then you have Toth, Ross and Pryor competing with Opeta and Juriga for roster spots. I think it is way more likely that they trade a lineman (Dillard) than it is that they draft one, especially since Driscoll has left-right versatility and can be the swing tackle this year. Obviously qb is a big unknown, but it appears more and more likely to me that they will grab a top pass target at 6, and then use the day two picks to bolster the back seven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joemas6 Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 3 hours ago, time2rock said: Or he'll draft a DL like Paye who is more a 15-20 level talent and still have us shaking our head. Yes, this is my thought, but after trading down, maybe even twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedinggreen93 Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said: Which is exactly the reason you wait, same as WR, wait until one falls into your lap for the best value See I think differently I want the best in a strong class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joemas6 Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 2 hours ago, time2rock said: If we traded with Atlanta to move up to 4 it would likely only cost us our 3rd (and we get a 5th back) or the 3rd we got from Indy (and then we throw in a 5th) - that wouldn't be too bad. If we wanted to move to 3 then it becomes quite a bit pricier - likely our 2nd and 2022 3rd (since we have no 4th). I wouldn't hate it if we took Slater but would hope we were able to trade back a few spots and grab him in the 10-12 range and pick up more picks in the process. Say SF wanted to trade up for a QB we should be able to get their 2nd and projected 3rd rd comp pick. I'd be fine with Slater and extra picks in rounds 2+3. I think it costs us more than you say. Mainly due to the fact that Cincy at 5 isn't going QB. If we trade up... it's due to other teams also looking to move up... driving the price up. It's a slight move up, but it's the top of the draft so it will cost more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedinggreen93 Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, joemas6 said: Yes, this is my thought, but after trading down, maybe even twice. Definitely can’t rule out DL again my thought Is Lurie our FO will go back to there core beliefs why I strongly see 3 positions QB,OL,DL as the most likely for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenbleedinNC Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 31 minutes ago, stine said: Whoever drafts Pitts will list him as a TE. They don't get paid nearly as much as WR's. Pitts was being compared to Calvin Johnson as far as ability. That is one tall order.... Yeah,but I really don't care what the college label is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joemas6 Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 2 hours ago, stine said: So we do away with two TE sets? Ertz and Geodart were tough matchups when they were both on the field. We lose Ertz and do not replace him then we scratch those formations. Rodgers won't put fear in any defenses.... How about adding a blocker along with Goedert so we can run. I think you should look up where our production level was with Ertz and Goedert both on the field as compared to just one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenbleedinNC Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 24 minutes ago, jsb235 said: It is interesting that Kelce is coming back and Slay has restructured. Slay could have told the team that he doesn't think they will be able to compete and to trade him, and Kelce could have asked for a trade or retired. It makes me think that the players believe this team has a chance to be competitive. The Kelce decision means oline is probably not going to be a target in the first three rounds. Mailata/Dillard, Seumalo/Opeta, Kelce/Juriga, Brooks/Herbig, Lane/Driscoll are most likely the top 10 guys. Then you have Toth, Ross and Pryor competing with Opeta and Juriga for roster spots. I think it is way more likely that they trade a lineman (Dillard) than it is that they draft one, especially since Driscoll has left-right versatility and can be the swing tackle this year. Obviously qb is a big unknown, but it appears more and more likely to me that they will grab a top pass target at 6, and then use the day two picks to bolster the back seven. That's what I have also. Edge,CB,LB on day 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joemas6 Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 1 hour ago, time2rock said: Kelce announces on IG he’ll be back in 2021 (also mentions he restructured his deal assuming to further create cap relief). https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/05/jason-kelce-restructures-contract-will-be-back-with-eagles/ Interesting... if he were to retire, would help the Eagles if he restructured and announced his retirement after the draft and June 1st. Unlike what the Dallas center did last year. With his small cap hit, they really didn't need to restructure his deal. But at the same time, I don't see him as a guy who would pull our chain either. The OL is back... time for Hurts to step up now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
time2rock Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, joemas6 said: Interesting... if he were to retire, would help the Eagles if he restructured and announced his retirement after the draft and June 1st. Unlike what the Dallas center did last year. With his small cap hit, they really didn't need to restructure his deal. But at the same time, I don't see him as a guy who would pull our chain either. The OL is back... time for Hurts to step up now. Kelce had a cap hit of $8.4M in 2021 prior to the new deal. His announcement indicates he'll continue playing. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/05/jason-kelce-restructures-contract-will-be-back-with-eagles/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenbleedinNC Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 18 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said: See I think differently I want the best in a strong class That great if you aren't in rebuild mode. The object for me is to improve at as many positions as possible.We only get 1 first round pick, so for me, Pitts is the pick that would make the biggest impact. At WR we can still improve what we have(plus Pitts is damn good as a WR also), but that is also a deep class so I am in no rush to go head over heels for one.With Pitts you get a TE and a WR all with 1 pick. That's like having 2 round 1's IMO. I can't find value better than that. day 2 we can really help our defense. If we had some fairly top flight WR's then by all means if you can make that better you take the top WR, but we aren't there yet, so just get me someone solid. We can always improve that at a later date. So for me my first goal is to get back to 9 wins and I need targets to do that. Besides if Hurts gets some weaponry and he still sucks, then we KNOW to seek a better QB. But this year,I will give him his shot at a full season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joemas6 Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 32 minutes ago, jsb235 said: It is interesting that Kelce is coming back and Slay has restructured. Slay could have told the team that he doesn't think they will be able to compete and to trade him, and Kelce could have asked for a trade or retired. It makes me think that the players believe this team has a chance to be competitive. The Kelce decision means oline is probably not going to be a target in the first three rounds. Mailata/Dillard, Seumalo/Opeta, Kelce/Juriga, Brooks/Herbig, Lane/Driscoll are most likely the top 10 guys. Then you have Toth, Ross and Pryor competing with Opeta and Juriga for roster spots. I think it is way more likely that they trade a lineman (Dillard) than it is that they draft one, especially since Driscoll has left-right versatility and can be the swing tackle this year. Obviously qb is a big unknown, but it appears more and more likely to me that they will grab a top pass target at 6, and then use the day two picks to bolster the back seven. I think you are missing big picture with Slay. He restructured...means he is getting his salary up front. He could still be traded but after he gets his money up front... the Eagles need to get under the cap now.... this move helps both sides, doesn't lock in Slay any longer. Why would he turn down getting his pay up front.. didn't Alshon and Malik Jackson do agree to do the same thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenbleedinNC Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 15 minutes ago, joemas6 said: I think it costs us more than you say. Mainly due to the fact that Cincy at 5 isn't going QB. If we trade up... it's due to other teams also looking to move up... driving the price up. It's a slight move up, but it's the top of the draft so it will cost more. I say Carolina deals for the 4 pick with ATL. If there are no offers,they will take QB 3 to replace Ryan in the future. I will stand at 6 and take Pitts. Moving down means you just gave up a 5 year STUD and I hope we aren't that stupid(but it's Howie so who knows?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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