Sack that QB Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said: This would be a bad move. How will this change the trajectory? We'd have a QB but we would have no cap space and likely no top draft picks to invest in our defense. Our defense is a year or two away from being one of the worst in the league. Then we are the 4-12 Texans from last year with Watson. Getting an elite QB in their mid 20's is never a bad move in any scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said: Guess Slay couldn’t recruit Nelson. Onto the next one. It is not a Slay recruiting problem, it is a Howie cap mismanagement problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberTheKoy Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said: Getting an elite QB in their mid 20's is never a bad move in any scenario. Have to question how elite he actually is when he didn't elevate his team above 4 wins. Yes the Texans defense was terrible but the Eagles defense is going to be terrible in the very near future especially if we trade for Watson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said: Have to question how elite he actually is when he didn't elevate his team above 4 wins. Yes the Texans defense was terrible but the Eagles defense is going to be terrible in the very near future especially if we trade for Watson. Very elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberTheKoy Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, downundermike said: Very elite. But why couldn't he elevate his team from 4 wins last year? They had a bad defense, but how do you see the Eagles defense being good going forward when they have no good young talent, will have no top draft picks to get young talent after trading for Watson and won't have any cap space after trading for Watson to sign any quality defensive talent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLC Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 21 minutes ago, Sack that QB said: Getting an elite QB in their mid 20's is never a bad move in any scenario. These are the types of players you take swings on. If you hit, you're an immediate Super Bowl contender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Eagle Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 Looks like Steelers are going to announce that they signed Steven Nelson per whispers on Twitter. Could also be Malik Hooker (or both). Howie overplayed his hand with Ertz and cap strapped us to death. Looking forward to Maddox getting burnt on the outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberTheKoy Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 1 minute ago, RLC said: These are the types of players you take swings on. If you hit, you're an immediate Super Bowl contender. Doesn't make sense. Why were the Texans a 4-12 team last year with him instead of an immediate Super Bow contender? Are people really disillusioned as to the quality of the team that the Eagles have? This isn't a middling average talented team that is a QB away. This is a bad football team that has put off a much needed complete reconstruction of their defense for another year with an aging oft injured offensive line. Eagles are in good shape going forward at TE, WR and RB but that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said: But why couldn't he elevate his team from 4 wins last year? They had a bad defense, but how do you see the Eagles defense being good going forward when they have no good young talent, will have no top draft picks to get young talent after trading for Watson and won't have any cap space after trading for Watson to sign any quality defensive talent? That team was a mismanaged disaster, that fired the GM / coach mid season, and traded away a top 3 WR for a broken down running back. He scored 30 points 3 times and lost. Not sure what else DeShaun Watson could do in that scenario. The defense gave up 464 points, 29 PPG, Eagles gave up 418 points, 26 PPG. He could have won several games that the Eagles lost. I see a tied game, and 6 one score games that the Eagles could have won with level of talent at the QB position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberTheKoy Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 Just now, downundermike said: That team was a mismanaged disaster, that fired the GM / coach mid season, and traded away a top 3 WR for a broken down running back. He scored 30 points 3 times and lost. Not sure what else DeShaun Watson could do in that scenario. The defense gave up 464 points, 29 PPG, Eagles gave up 418 points, 26 PPG. He could have won several games that the Eagles lost. I see a tied game, and 6 one score games that the Eagles could have won with level of talent at the QB position. That team was a mismanaged disaster...but haven't you spent all offseason talking about how this team is a mismanaged disaster with Howie Roseman? Fired our Super Bowl winning HC after one losing season. The current Eagles with the likes of Cox, Graham, Slay & McLeod gave up 46 less points than the Texans defense. Cox is turning 31 this year, Graham just turned 33, Slay is 30 & McLeod just turned 31 coming off a major injury. This is not a defense on the rise. This is not a defense with any young cornerstone players who they are able to build around in the future. This is a defense that is a ticking time bomb from falling off a cliff and becoming one of the worst in the league in the next 1-2 years. The cap space and draft capital that would be needed to obtain Watson would be better spent on rebuilding the defense. Instead the Eagles will find themselves with just as bad as a defense in the coming years as the 2020 Texans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said: That team was a mismanaged disaster...but haven't you spent all offseason talking about how this team is a mismanaged disaster with Howie Roseman? Fired our Super Bowl winning HC after one losing season. The current Eagles with the likes of Cox, Graham, Slay & McLeod gave up 46 less points than the Texans defense. Cox is turning 31 this year, Graham just turned 33, Slay is 30 & McLeod just turned 31 coming off a major injury. This is not a defense on the rise. This is not a defense with any young cornerstone players who they are able to build around in the future. This is a defense that is a ticking time bomb from falling off a cliff and becoming one of the worst in the league in the next 1-2 years. The cap space and draft capital that would be needed to obtain Watson would be better spent on rebuilding the defense. Instead the Eagles will find themselves with just as bad as a defense in the coming years as the 2020 Texans. Our mismanagement is the cap, and the aging vets. There is still some talent on the roster. The Texans had a solo coach / gm that they fired mid season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphagrand Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, eaglesflyers#1 said: Looks like Steelers are going to announce that they signed Steven Nelson per whispers on Twitter. Could also be Malik Hooker (or both). Howie overplayed his hand with Ertz and cap strapped us to death. Looking forward to Maddox Jacquet getting burnt on the outside. FYP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberTheKoy Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, downundermike said: Our mismanagement is the cap, and the aging vets. There is still some talent on the roster. The Texans had a solo coach / gm that they fired mid season. Where is the young talent on defense? How are they going to get young talent on defense when they blow their first round picks and cap on Watson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austinfan Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 39 minutes ago, Sack that QB said: Getting an elite QB in their mid 20's is never a bad move in any scenario. I agree, who are we getting, because Watson ain't elite. Elite QBs raise their offense, Watson doesn't. Gaudy stats, but his offense in four years has never been in the top ten in yards or points, and that's with Hopkins and a pro bowl LT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khani1 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 17 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said: Eagles are in good shape going forward at TE, WR and RB but that's it. And a good o-line. Wouldn't that mean that a great QB would make this offense top 7-10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphagrand Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 22 minutes ago, RLC said: These are the types of players you take swings on. If you hit, you're an immediate Super Bowl contender. What kind of swing are you taking exactly? Is the 4 year, $156M contract about to kick in going to be good enough for him, or is he going to want to renegotiate it since there have been other QB signed deals since? Is he going to be okay with the Head Coach or will he want to influence who is in that position? Same question with GM? Is he going to need a babysitter to keep him from breaking the law? How are the Eagles a Super Bowl contender without any depth, or any cap room to acquire depth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberTheKoy Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, Khani1 said: And a good o-line. Wouldn't that mean that a great QB would make this offense top 7-10? An old often injured oline. Kelce probably in his last year. Brandon Brooks about to turn 32 coming off his 3rd major injury in less than 2 years. Lane Johnson just turned 31 and his ankle might be an issue for the rest of his career. Dickerson might be a bright spot for the future on the oline but that's another guy who has suffered a high number of major injures in college so it's a lot of luck hoping he can stay healthy as a pro. And this is all with the reality that Watson is probably going to be suspended at least around 8 games in all likelihood this year. So what team is he going to get? This offensive line a year older next year, a defense devoid of young talent and the only talent it has will be a year older next year. This is not a good team that should be investing a huge part of its cap and draft capital into a QB when it the roster is nowhere close to being able to compete. If any thing make a move to draft a QB next year and use that rookie salary to help rebuild the rest of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpac55 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 Malik Hooker is the kind of risk they should be taking right now. They have nothing in the pipeline at safety. He just turned 25. Yes, he's been injured but the guy has talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 22 minutes ago, austinfan said: I agree, who are we getting, because Watson ain't elite. Elite QBs raise their offense, Watson doesn't. Gaudy stats, but his offense in four years has never been in the top ten in yards or points, and that's with Hopkins and a pro bowl LT. How are you supposed to be top 10 in those categories when you have a bad defense that can not get off the field. Watson was elite last year, Texans were last in TOP, 29th in 3rd down defense, last in takeaways. That in turn made them last in plays ran per game, even though they were 12th best converting 3rd downs offensively in the league. You don't think he would up the total offense ranking ( 12th ) passing yards ( 4th ) and scoring ( 19th ) with two more possessions per game ?? Add to that the Texans had 9 takeaways, one of 3 teams that did not average at least two takeaways per game. Add two more possesions and a couple short fields after a turn over, those numbers would climb quite a bit. Also, Texans were the second worse rushing team in the league. Edited to add @austinfan, Green Bay has only been top 10 once in yards and once in points over that same span. is Rodgers not elite ?? 2017, 26th in yards and 21st in points, both behind the Texans. 2018, behind the Texans in PPG, 2019, behind the Texans in yards and PPG. So by the metric above that you created, he is more elite than Aaron Rodgers, unless of course Aaron Rodgers is not elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeanMeanGM Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 Rodgers is unproven Mahomes in unproven Stafford is a stat padder Watson is a stat padder Rinse and repeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said: Rodgers is unproven Mahomes in unproven Stafford is a stat padder Watson is a stat padder Rinse and repeat The crap he comes up with. 🤡🌏 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utebird Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 55 minutes ago, eaglesflyers#1 said: Looks like Steelers are going to announce that they signed Steven Nelson per whispers on Twitter. Could also be Malik Hooker (or both). Howie overplayed his hand with Ertz and cap strapped us to death. Looking forward to Maddox getting burnt on the outside. Yup, CB2 is a glaring hole on the roster and not being able to sign a capable one is solely on Howie being cao strained due to his mismanagement of the cap, and as stated the mess he created with Ertz is part of that. Howie is a doofus.🤬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, Utebird said: Yup, CB2 is a glaring hole on the roster and not being able to sign a capable one is solely on Howie being cap strained due to his mismanagement of the cap And the NFL knows it, that is why no one is biting on trading for Ertz. Eagles have 3.19 million in cap room, once Dickerson signs his rookie deal, and players 52 and 53 count towards the cap week 1, Eagles will be over the cap. Teams know the Eagles are going to have to cut Ertz, so why trade for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCiggles Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said: What was interesting about what Florio said was that the plaintiffs are the ones who don’t want the settlement information revealed. Usually it’s the defendant (Watson). That is noteworthy. I didn't hear his comment but I read his article about it and I think he's not being clear but essentially the confidentiality would be a condition of Watson. Defendants are usually the ones pushing confidentiality. Confidentiality clauses can create some potential for making the settlement taxable. Usually, you would want mutual confidentiality or some other provision. I think what he means is that all of the women would have to agree to some global terms for settlement and it's unclear whether each of his clients would agree to confidentiality. So either all 22 of them agree or there are no settlements. It does create a potential conflict between Buzbee's clients. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCiggles Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 44 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said: An old often injured oline. Kelce probably in his last year. Brandon Brooks about to turn 32 coming off his 3rd major injury in less than 2 years. Lane Johnson just turned 31 and his ankle might be an issue for the rest of his career. Dickerson might be a bright spot for the future on the oline but that's another guy who has suffered a high number of major injures in college so it's a lot of luck hoping he can stay healthy as a pro. And this is all with the reality that Watson is probably going to be suspended at least around 8 games in all likelihood this year. So what team is he going to get? This offensive line a year older next year, a defense devoid of young talent and the only talent it has will be a year older next year. This is not a good team that should be investing a huge part of its cap and draft capital into a QB when it the roster is nowhere close to being able to compete. If any thing make a move to draft a QB next year and use that rookie salary to help rebuild the rest of the team. What about Herbig and Driscoll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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