Sack that QB Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 6 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said: And sure helped us in 2019. And it helped the Falcons who made the Super Bowl in 2016 when they lost to a team in 2017 that hadn't made the playoffs since 2013 and hadn't won a playoff game since 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, SB52 said: C’mon. They did play the Jets. And ran for 40 more yards than the Jets allow per game. If this narrative that Hurts makes the run game go, shouldn't the Jets have held the Eagles to less than their average ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattwill Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said: Sure... and if they get blown out, what then? You have one more set of data points to inform your offseason decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austinfan Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 12 minutes ago, justrelax said: Well, no. First possession: pass, pass, pass. Second possession: run (gain of 11 yards), pass, pass (Well, sack, but a called pass), pass. And when they tried to run, run, run, 3rd and 6 pass. Giants overplayed the run, which is why you need to hit a few passes early against that kind of defense to loosen them up. One thing the Eagles really lack is the reliable possession receiver like Avant who gives the QB an easy target on 3rd and 6 or so - which is where you'll be to start games running against teams focused on stopping the run - make a couple of those third downs and you start wearing down the defense and the run picks up. It's not just about committing to the run, it's about being able to get 1st downs so you can keep running instead of punting. This is why JJAW is so disappointing, I don't care if he's a 4.6 guy, he should be the reliable big target who blocks out and snatches the ball and makes those plays. Fortunately, you can find these guys in the middle rounds and even as UDFAs, I'd make that a priority in this year's draft to stockpile a few, Sirianni has experience coaching these guys up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggles_Phan Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, mattwill said: 2012 Ravens had Joe Flacco and won (and 49ers had Kaepernick) 2006 Bears had Rex Grossman and lost 2003 Panthers had Jake Delhomme and lost 2000 Ravens had Trent Dilfer and won 1991 Washington had Mark Rypien and won 1990 Giants had Jeff Hostetler and won 1987 Washington had Doug Williams and won I would dare to say that anything from 15 years ago is completely meaningless at this point. And more importantly, it is not who the QB was in the game, but how they played...and even more importantly... they all played from inside the pocket, something that Hurts has consistently struggled with. No one is claiming that the QB has to be HoF QB to win the Super Bowl, but that the QB needs to be effective within the pocket, make all the throws... short, deep, middle, left and right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utebird Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, austinfan said: Losing teams don't score less points b/c the other team scores, they tend to score MORE points in high scoring games (b/c they get the ball back more often and have to gamble to stay in the game). Losing teams don't score in the playoffs b/c they face better defenses and can't pad their averages against weak sisters. So my point stands, if you can score 25 points you'll beat most teams in the playoffs, if you're a running team that controls the game, if you have a good defense you can probably beat most teams with 20 points. Now right now the Eagles don't have a good defense that can stop top offensive teams - but upgrading from Hurts to a good but not elite QB won't make much of a difference in that case. Very few QBs are going to win shoot outs against teams with better overall offensive talent, because most playoff teams can take one or two receivers out of a game. Jim Johnson always said if he can keep team under 17 points then they have a really good chance of winning, now that was 15 years ago and league wide scoring is up so maybe adjust it to 21 points and I think that gives a team a good chance of winning I'm not sure the eagles D can keep good playoff offenses under 21 they haven't shown to be able to do so yet. In which case would lend to the passing game needin to keep pace, and hurts hasn't shown yet he can keep pace through the air with opposing high potent offenses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggles_Phan Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, austinfan said: And when they tried to run, run, run, 3rd and 6 pass. Giants overplayed the run, which is why you need to hit a few passes early against that kind of defense to loosen them up. One thing the Eagles really lack is the reliable possession receiver like Avant who gives the QB an easy target on 3rd and 6 or so - which is where you'll be to start games running against teams focused on stopping the run - make a couple of those third downs and you start wearing down the defense and the run picks up. It's not just about committing to the run, it's about being able to get 1st downs so you can keep running instead of punting. This is why JJAW is so disappointing, I don't care if he's a 4.6 guy, he should be the reliable big target who blocks out and snatches the ball and makes those plays. Fortunately, you can find these guys in the middle rounds and even as UDFAs, I'd make that a priority in this year's draft to stockpile a few, Sirianni has experience coaching these guys up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattwill Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 2 hours ago, DrPhilly said: You asked, I answered. Too bad it ended in a messy divorce. Happens sometimes. That is what happens when you take someone out on a highly visible date while you are married. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLC Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Misses this week, but will make it back next week if he's Symptom-free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sack that QB Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 One week after he officially official secured the 75%. He did that the week prior, but there was still an outside chance he could get under. With that extra game, it's damn near impossible. Kudos for his immune system waiting this long to give out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
315Eagles Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 At least the Miami pick could get better. They play Tennessee and NE. Much like the Eagles, they've been playing bad teams and backup QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggles_Phan Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, mattwill said: You have one more set of data points to inform your offseason decisions. I don't believe I need another data point. I would be more interested in seeing Sirianni's offense with a pure passer at QB... that's where I want to see more data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
315Eagles Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Sack that QB said: One week after he officially official secured the 75%. He did that the week prior, but there was still an outside chance he could get under. With that extra game, it's damn near impossible. Kudos for his immune system waiting this long to give out. Carson did it on purpose just for us. See he still cares about the Eagles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utebird Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said: Michael Pittman In Indy is that guy, big tall long arms not super fast or athletic but can box a guy out and move the chains. For a couple games fulgham looked like he could be that reliable guy over the middle in 3rd downs but alas it was fool's gold It's odd to me when they try to pigeon hole reagor into that role running him on a shallow slant on 3rd and 6. Reagor isn't the biggest guy, he's not going to shield anybody off not dors he have the strongest hands in traffic but fir some reason he's a guy who sirrianni has dialed up some slants for in 3rd down, seems there might be other guys in the roster who might be better equipped to succeed in that scenario.🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeanMeanGM Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, RLC said: Misses this week, but will make it back next week if he's Symptom-free. He's unvaxed. Rules didn't change for them that I saw so its 10 days. Thank god we locked in that pick already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle45 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 I am not a fan of lumbering possession WRs. I think it makes the offense more predictable. But…in our case…we probably do need that 50/50 ball guy. Our qb is a late release, area code accuracy kind of passer. That neutralizes separation and speed. So you are better off with a long armed, box out, possession WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrPhilly Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 11 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said: I don't believe I need another data point. I would be more interested in seeing Sirianni's offense with a pure passer at QB... that's where I want to see more data. Have to agree. If Coach needs more then so be it but I don’t feel like I need more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connecticut Eagle Posted December 28, 2021 Author Share Posted December 28, 2021 15 minutes ago, 315Eagles said: At least the Miami pick could get better. They play Tennessee and NE. Much like the Eagles, they've been playing bad teams and backup QBs. I know Hurts going to the Pro Bowl challenges the mind, but how many good QB are there? Teams with meh at QB: NYG, WFT, MIN, CHI, DET, ATL, CAR, NO, MIA, NYJ, CLV, PIT, JAX, HOU, LVR, DEN That's half the league with questionable QB futures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
315Eagles Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Anyone think the Jags will hire Doug? Supposedly they interviewed him and Jim Caldwell so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattwill Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 1 hour ago, NCiggles said: The offense is good enough to beat any defense they face. The real issue is the defense isn't good enough to beat any of the better offenses. That is so spot on it is worth repeating, The offense is good enough to beat any defense they face. The real issue is the defense isn't good enough to beat any of the better offenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_EaglesFan89 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Thank goodness Wentz has already secured us that first round pick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gohabsgo Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 15 minutes ago, Utebird said: Jim Johnson always said if he can keep team under 17 points then they have a really good chance of winning, now that was 15 years ago and league wide scoring is up so maybe adjust it to 21 points and I think that gives a team a good chance of winning I'm not sure the eagles D can keep good playoff offenses under 21 they haven't shown to be able to do so yet. In which case would lend to the passing game needin to keep pace, and hurts hasn't shown yet he can keep pace through the air with opposing high potent offenses If the the eagles stay committed to running the ball, I think we can beat any team, especially if we win the turnover battle. Our offensive line, right now, is the best I've seen it in years. They're incredible. It's breathtaking right now and I don't think D has been a problem outside the chiefs/cowboys game. They came out throwing in the first half against the giants and we sucked. just run the ball and keep it 3rd in short/manageable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNOORDA Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 17 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said: He's unvaxed. Rules didn't change for them that I saw so its 10 days. Thank god we locked in that pick already. This is what the colts and their fans were most afraid of. Late in the season and their unvaxxed franchise qb tests positive. what happens if the raiders beat the colts this week as far as colts seeding? I have a hard time not seeing wentz in a selfish light. But that’s nothing new really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_EaglesFan89 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Just now, gohabsgo said: If the the eagles stay committed to running the ball, I think we can beat any team, especially if we win the turnover battle. Our offensive line, right now, is the best I've seen it in years. They're incredible. It's breathtaking right now and I don't think D has been a problem outside the chiefs/cowboys game. They came out throwing in the first half against the giants and we sucked. just run the ball and keep it 3rd in short/manageable. I mean I think there are 2 teams I wouldn't fancy us against right now...Chiefs and the Packers. And I'm not saying we can't beat them but I think we have a really good chance against the other teams. I don't think there are that many really good teams this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
315Eagles Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said: I know Hurts going to the Pro Bowl challenges the mind, but how good QB are there? Teams with meh at QB: NYG, WFT, MIN, CHI, DET, ATL, CAR, NO, MIA, NYJ, CLV, PIT, JAX, HOU, LVR, DEN That's half the league with questionable QB futures. This offseason is going to be interesting with the QB position. There are so many teams that need one and not many prospects coming from college. I'd rather they move Hurts, start Minshew and wait till the right QB becomes available. You can't tell me a team like New Orleans or Denver wouldn't have a better record with someone like Minshew. Maybe he gets traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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