32 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

It took 6 years to figure out if Wentz sucked. Hurts has started for 1 year and took a team to the playoffs. And got injured in NOV to hamper his running abilities which are key here. Don't say that he sucks yet. Based on what he has to work with. Way too early. 

Just now, greend said:

Just curious but who's clone are you? @HazletonEagle

It's gotta be RTK. Hazleton's clone would be posting about how much of a genius Howie is. 

31 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Flores unloading the whole clip on Ross.

If there is a paper trail to that Memo. It's curtains for ol' Stevie.

Not sure I understand how this is racial discrimination or has a snowball’s chance of class certification.  Flores was promoted pretty high and failed as a HC.  Wilks failed as a head coach and blames it on Keim being suspended and two clauses later accuses Keim of working while suspended on very circumstantial evidence.  Horton has failed multiple times as a DC, but sure got the opportunities.  Note Arians hired Bowles instead of retaining Horton  

Sham Rooney interviews aren’t the standard for discrimination under US law.  The Rooney rule, however presented, is above and beyond what the law requires.  Not convinced that they have a case and throwing jabs at Keim doesn’t make it so.  Ross may have violated NFL bylaws but not the law and Flores’ employment was under contract so unless Ross and thus the employer violated that contract, I don’t see it as actionable.  I think in the long run the suit may actually not help the NFL in its flailing attempt at diversity.  

Coaches tend to hire coaches they know.  The way to get diversity is more diversity at the lower positions and in college.  Eagles have that in the coaching ranks until you get to the quality control level, where young coaches learn at the NFL level.  But that is a poor paying job    But look at Howie’s operation.  Not quite as diverse after losing Cunningham and Brown.  Interestingly, Todd Bowles got his first taste of the NFL staffing side under Ron Wolf before heading to colleges to cut his teeth.  Will be interesting, if Weidl moves, what hires, promotions etc. that Howie makes this offseason.

 

@Bacarty2 you put anything down on Tiger? I threw down $20 on him earlier this week, if he wins it pays out $1200. 

3 minutes ago, greend said:

Just curious but who's clone are you? @HazletonEagle

Honestly it could be someone new from facebook, twitter, or reddit. They actually think that way about Hurts

49 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Anyone see this on ESPN...  Here is what they would offer for DK for us

Our trade offers for Metcalf

Philadelphia Eagles

Tim McManus' offer: The Eagles would trade 2022 third- and fifth-round picks (Nos. 83 and 154).

Inside the offer: The modest offer here reflects that the Eagles might only be in on Metcalf at a certain risk level. They rated him as a top-15 prospect in the 2019 draft, but the neck injury that ended his final season at Ole Miss kept them from drafting him. They're not going to give up one of their first-round picks to acquire him.

Philadelphia tried to trade for Calvin Ridley earlier this offseason and made a run at Christian Kirk in free agency, and Metcalf would give the franchise the impact receiver it seeks. The Eagles would have a stellar 1-2 punch at receiver with Metcalf and DeVonta Smith, with Quez Watkins and newly acquired Zach Pascal filling the third and fourth roles. Jalen Reagor, a 2020 first-round pick who has 64 catches in two seasons, could be moved to get a much-needed fresh start. Jalen Hurts would have all the targets he could ask for to be properly evaluated in his second season as the full-time starter.

Tim is smoking the good stuff.  Wouldn’t give that up for a one year rental on a poor route runner who thrived with Wilson. 

6 minutes ago, RLC said:

A lot of people in the blog have said that all job interviews are merit-based and to just "hire the best person"

So how does Mike saying he "had the job" before the fake Rooney rule interviews make that point wrong? They didn't say he had because he was white. He had it because that's who they wanted. I've always said the Rooney rule was stupid and a waste of time. This proves me right.

Eagles could be losing Weidl

 

 

28 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Dude, he had a rookie starting and feeling his way, Jalen Reagor, JJAW & Greg Ward. Besides Devante, none of these are NFL receivers. Ertz left in OCT  and had one professional TE to throw to. Give me one of those good receivers, not all of 'em. Extreme are we? Ha.

I'll say this again, if quez would have had the 200 yards he should have had against Tampa in the playoffs would you still think he wasn't an NFL WR 

Having said that if hurts were able to get him the ball in that game maybe we're not having this discussion.

Having said that the reason Watkins didn't have 200 yards in that game isn't because he's a scrub it's strictly because hurts failed to get him the ball.

All we have to fine on is what already happened so why would assume that  a new WR would I prove hurts game when he had a potential 200 yard in a game WR and couldn't get him the ball 

I do t think any improvements over the off season combined with the addition of another WR is all the sudden going to make hurts a passer who can routinely consistently hit the. Passes he missed to quez In Tampa 

5 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

It's gotta be RTK. Hazleton's clone would be posting about how much of a genius Howie is. 

Nah, you misunderstand the use of clones. They aren't going to agree with what the owner of the clone believes they would go on another topic or even argue against the owner

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Can you fit anymore excuses in that sentence?

58 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I don't think hurts struggling with pro pasding concepts in a similar offense that strong plays in necessarily means string will also struggle with same passing concepts.

Plenty of college qbs play in offenses where they aren't asked to regularly look past their first read or or asked to make pre snap adjustments other than maybe changing the play from a pass to a run.

One of the reasons hurts struggles with NFL passing concepts is because he doesn't have the arm strength to execute those NFL passing concepts 

Strong has an NFL arm, he can make all the throws which then is just a matter of him learning the concepts.

Look at Josh Allen, he was in accurate and inconsistent and reckless in college yet he has a ton of arm talent, sure his athleticism with that arm and his size help tremendously but without the arm talent he's just taller hurts.

Strong has an NFL arm which in a passing league is something that has more value to teams than a QB who is a great athlete but whose arm is subpar.

Like I said I think Carson strong has 1st round arm talent, other things will drop him but NFL teams will always bet on a guy with top notch arm talent and figure the rest out along the way.

There is no causal connection between how Strong may perform in the NFL and how Hurts has performed.  There are certainly times where Hurts' mediocre arm impacts plays where maybe Strong's wouldn't.  There are also times where Hurts' athletic ability keeps plays alive that are not going to happen for Strong.  Allen was a plus athlete with a better arm.  He has put it together in terms of being a great passing QB.  His problem was more accuracy and mechanics than decision making.  I am not saying anything about Strong other than he's not a sure fire upgrade over Hurts.  He's a projection.  He's a prospect that could be a very good QB but he's not worth a top 100 pick. 

12 minutes ago, RLC said:

A lot of people in the blog have said that all job interviews are merit-based and to just "hire the best person"

With coaching in particular, merit is extremely subjective. It’s not like seeing two WRs play and one puts up 1,600 yards per year and another puts up 400 yards per year and you go the first one is deserving of an all pro or a big contract more than the latter. How many times do coordinators that coach great units end up being horrible coaches?

The Rooney rule perpetuates sham interviews. It’s a bad rule that basically makes teams have to interview people they may not have wanted to and wasting everyone’s time.

42 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

It took 6 years to figure out if Wentz sucked. Hurts has started for 1 year and took a team to the playoffs. And got injured in NOV to hamper his running abilities which are key here. Don't say that he sucks yet. Based on what he has to work with. Way too early. 

One of those years he passed for a team record in TD passes and made the team into a contender that won the Super Bowl.  If Hurts does that, he can stay 6 seasons too. 

Just now, Sack that QB said:

With coaching in particular, merit is extremely subjective. It’s not like seeing two WRs play and one puts up 1,600 yards per year and another puts up 400 yards per year and you go the first one is deserving of an all pro or a big contract more than the latter. How many times do coordinators that coach great units end up being horrible coaches?

The Rooney rule perpetuates sham interviews. It’s a bad rule that basically makes teams have to interview people they may not have wanted to and wasting everyone’s time.

Yup

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I'll say this again, if quez would have had the 200 yards he should have had against Tampa in the playoffs would you still think he wasn't an NFL WR 

Having said that if hurts were able to get him the ball in that game maybe we're not having this discussion.

Having said that the reason Watkins didn't have 200 yards in that game isn't because he's a scrub it's strictly because hurts failed to get him the ball.

All we have to fine on is what already happened so why would assume that  a new WR would I prove hurts game when he had a potential 200 yard in a game WR and couldn't get him the ball 

I do t think any improvements over the off season combined with the addition of another WR is all the sudden going to make hurts a passer who can routinely consistently hit the. Passes he missed to quez In Tampa 

I do like Quez, but he hardly played overall cuz of Reagor & that dominant running game. Yeah. I am not gonna pin one terrible playoff game ( his 1st) VS. the goat as being my barometer here on whether Hurts will be a solid QB in the future. Also wasn't anywhere near 100% in that game. Okay, it is fair to say they had 2 professional WRs & 1 professional TE to work with last year.

6 minutes ago, greend said:

Nah, you misunderstand the use of clones. They aren't going to agree with what the owner of the clone believes they would go on another topic or even argue against the owner

Greend the Clone Expert. Maybe he's your clone then....

2 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

I do like Quez, but he hardly played overall cuz of Reagor & that dominant running game. Yeah. I am not gonna pin one terrible playoff game ( his 1st) VS. the goat as being my barometer here on whether Hurts will be a solid QB in the future. Also wasn't anywhere near 100% in that game. Okay, it is fair to say they had 2 professional WRs & 1 professional TE to work with last year.

Quez had 771 snaps vs Reagors 750. 

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

One of those years he passed for a team record in TD passes and made the team into a contender that won the Super Bowl.  If Hurts does that, he can stay 6 seasons too. 

Guy always got hurt tho at key times. Wasn't the same after injury and not worth the contract.  I do thank him for that year and the draft compensation we are reaping from years later with that Colts trade.

Just now, NCiggles said:

There is no causal connection between how Strong may perform in the NFL and how Hurts has performed.  There are certainly times where Hurts' mediocre arm impacts plays where maybe Strong's wouldn't.  There are also times where Hurts' athletic ability keeps plays alive that are not going to happen for Strong.  Allen was a plus athlete with a better arm.  He has put it together in terms of being a great passing QB.  His problem was more accuracy and mechanics than decision making.  I am not saying anything about Strong other than he's not a sure fire upgrade over Hurts.  He's a projection.  He's a prospect that could be a very good QB but he's not worth a top 100 pick. 

I'll take a projection with a guy with plus arm talent over an athletic guy with non plus arm talent every time.

I think he's worth a top 100 pick, the one thing that would keep him out of top 100 is the Injury concerns other than that he's got the arm talent and college production that in most drafts would qualify him for top 100 pick.

I mean Nick foles went 88th do you not think string is just as good a prospect as Nick foles was?

For the record I really liked Nick foles in that draft.

I actually had a few mocks of eagles taking him in the 3rd or 4th.

 

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Greend the Clone Expert. Maybe he's your clone then....

 

He's or she isn't but on the old board I used a clone or two in w.u.

5 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

I do like Quez, but he hardly played overall cuz of Reagor

False.

 

2 hours ago, jojodancer said:

🤣 We will talk at the EOY. I rather pay Jalen $2M on a year for his leadership &  potential than $35M for a dead man walking like Wentz. Q1

He was basically a rookie last year. Had some duds, but had some good ones with very Lil WR help. I expect to see a jump here. Had Jalen Reagor as a starter for crying out loud! They gave Wentz 5 years for that junk.

2 minutes ago, greend said:

He's or she isn't but on the old board I used a clone or two in w.u.

You animal

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Wow.  Unique insight.  Yeah. Carson, he did help contribute in 2017 to get us to the SB.  Didn’t think about that.  

I mean, come on. 

26 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Not sure I understand how this is racial discrimination or has a snowball’s chance of class certification.  Flores was promoted pretty high and failed as a HC.  Wilks failed as a head coach and blames it on Keim being suspended and two clauses later accuses Keim of working while suspended on very circumstantial evidence.  Horton has failed multiple times as a DC, but sure got the opportunities.  Note Arians hired Bowles instead of retaining Horton  

Sham Rooney interviews aren’t the standard for discrimination under US law.  The Rooney rule, however presented, is above and beyond what the law requires.  Not convinced that they have a case and throwing jabs at Keim doesn’t make it so.  Ross may have violated NFL bylaws but not the law and Flores’ employment was under contract so unless Ross and thus the employer violated that contract, I don’t see it as actionable.  I think in the long run the suit may actually not help the NFL in its flailing attempt at diversity.  

Coaches tend to hire coaches they know.  The way to get diversity is more diversity at the lower positions and in college.  Eagles have that in the coaching ranks until you get to the quality control level, where young coaches learn at the NFL level.  But that is a poor paying job    But look at Howie’s operation.  Not quite as diverse after losing Cunningham and Brown.  Interestingly, Todd Bowles got his first taste of the NFL staffing side under Ron Wolf before heading to colleges to cut his teeth.  Will be interesting, if Weidl moves, what hires, promotions etc. that Howie makes this offseason.

 

That's the crux of it. The longer a HC stays in his position, the more isolated he becomes from the sharp young guns coming up. Not-very-good coaches cycle through over and over. It bit Andy in the a$$ here when he made Castillo his DC, or when he hired Greg Lewis as his receivers coach. He didn't know any good yound coaches. It bit Doug when he lost Reich and replaced him with drek. As young coaches develop they move on and up. It's a rare thing when a good assistant stays a long time. Andy had one in JJ. The Eagles have one in Stoutland.

As far as the front office and scouting go, the Eagles have a helluva track record of hiring young talent on the way up and, inevitably, see so many of them go on to other organizations. It speaks well for Howie that this happens continually. Clearly, he has an eye for talent there and pity it doesn't translate better to the draft.

Daniel Jeremiah said he wouldn’t be surprised if Jurgens goes ahead of Linderbaum. 

Whoa.