Guest justrelax Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, Desertbirds said: I disagree. It is term that we are left with to describe a collection of attributes and proclivities that together constitute a syndrome. The syndrome describes individuals who flaunt social virtue while rejecting the Enlightenment, science, and free speech. Their tactics are often authoritarian. Many scholars, such as John McWhorter, have described the syndrome as a religion. McWhorter has asked the woke for a different term if they find the current term objectionable. None has been provided. Please expand on the attributes and proclivities. I am unaware of them. Seriously. If you prefer to do this via IM, I’m good with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utebird Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 9 minutes ago, Desertbirds said: I disagree. It is term that we are left with to describe a collection of attributes and proclivities that together constitute a syndrome. The syndrome describes individuals who flaunt social virtue while rejecting the Enlightenment, science, and free speech. Their tactics are often authoritarian. Many scholars, such as John McWhorter, have described the syndrome as a religion. McWhorter has asked the woke for a different term if they find the current term objectionable. None has been provided. That's like saying, if you don't like being called an A hole give me an alternative that means the same thing. Woke is a term used by MAGA ALT right, extreme right mainstream right or anyone that can't come up with a better comeback for being ignorant. Want to call me woke go for it, I'd rather be woke than blissfully ignorant. Nor does it have anything to do with denying enlightenment science or free speech. Majority of " woke" people are pro free speech , pro science pro enlightenment. calling the progressive lefts tactics authoritarian is a mein Kampf tactic where one accuses the other side , of what one is already guilty of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desertbirds Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Utebird said: That's like saying, if you don't like being called an A hole give me an alternative that means the same thing. Woke is a term used by MAGA ALT right, extreme right mainstream right or anyone that can't come up with a better comeback for being ignorant. Want to call me woke go for it, I'd rather be woke than blissfully ignorant. Nor does it have anything to do with enlightenment science or free speech. Majority of " woke" people are pro free speech , calling the progressive lefts tactics authoritarian is a mein Kampf tactic where one accuses the other side , of what one is already guilty of. Go to hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utebird Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Desertbirds said: Go to hell That didnt go through the 3 doors... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest justrelax Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, Desertbirds said: Go to hell Well. I am surprised. Woke does not equal cancel culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desertbirds Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 12 minutes ago, justrelax said: Please expand on the attributes and proclivities. I am unaware of them. Seriously. If you prefer to do this via IM, I’m good with that. Your request will require some work. As to McWhorter and wokeism as a religion: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desertbirds Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, justrelax said: Well. I am surprised. Woke does not equal cancel culture. That clown tarred me with nazism.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utebird Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Desertbirds said: That clown tarred me with nazism.. You tarred me with authoritarianism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEFly Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 21 minutes ago, Desertbirds said: I can't agree with you here, my friend. Depends on the definition of "woke”. Given the experience that you have had in academia, I certainly understand your position. I am old school ACLU where we defended the right of NSDAPs to march and free speech rights for material we might find offensive. I was watching Bill Maher the other night where he talked about a college course on offensive language being cancelled because the course included offensive language. That is where "woke” crosses the line. "The party on the left is now the party on the right” , Pete Townsend had it right. But that also doesn’t mean being silent to offensive words. As "woke pillars” was used, it is every bit an attempt to bully his point of view as the "woke” you encounter in academia. Anti libertarian is the same whichever direction you lean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diehardfan Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Utebird said: Translation: I have a small pee pee and am threatened by strong women. Yup me too, I've learned quite a bit over the years from various posters about food. Peter Dinklage doesn't compensate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desertbirds Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 Just now, Utebird said: You tarred me with authoritarianism. I didn't tar you with anything - I didn't even mention you. If anything, you self-identified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hputenis Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 You guys ever seen House of 1000 Corpses? Man it’s f’d up!! For more tips and tricks, please feel free to visit the "Horror Movie Thread” only a few clicks away. 30 pages and counting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc S. Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 3 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said: He wore it until Lurie made them switch. I forget what number he eventually had. Not possible. Glitch in the Matrix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEFly Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 37 minutes ago, Utebird said: Lol 😂 I'm dying Give that dude some brown hair and it looks just like me 20+ years ago knocking doors spreading the good news😁 How did I end up here 🤔 If you knocked on my door, I would have told you I am a pagan and would rather spend eternity in Valhalla with a bunch of drunken Vikings than with a bunch of __________ (fill in the blank for whatever religion was being pushed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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olsilverhair Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 9 minutes ago, hputenis said: You guys ever seen House of 1000 Corpses? Man it’s f’d up!! For more tips and tricks, please feel free to visit the "Horror Movie Thread” only a few clicks away. 30 pages and counting! shutup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desertbirds Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 12 minutes ago, BigEFly said: Depends on the definition of "woke”. Given the experience that you have had in academia, I certainly understand your position. I am old school ACLU where we defended the right of NSDAPs to march and free speech rights for material we might find offensive. I was watching Bill Maher the other night where he talked about a college course on offensive language being cancelled because the course included offensive language. That is where "woke” crosses the line. "The party on the left is now the party on the right” , Pete Townsend had it right. But that also doesn’t mean being silent to offensive words. As "woke pillars” was used, it is every bit an attempt to bully his point of view as the "woke” you encounter in academia. Anti libertarian is the same whichever direction you lean. My intent was not defend the way "woke pillars" was used. My intent was to point out the term "woke" is not without meaning. I recognize that the far right are exploiting the term, but that does not alter its meaning in serious discussion. I used to be a card-carrying member of the ACLU. Have you seen where an ACLU lawyer, Chase Stangio, has called for the banning of a book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aptosbird Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 53 minutes ago, mattwill said: That is the story of 4for4EaglesNest's life. ahhh....Farmer Ted our room troll. His pronouns are we/our/us. He tries so hard to be the coolest guy in here, but he is still just King of the Dips****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utebird Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 10 minutes ago, Desertbirds said: I didn't tar you with anything - I didn't even mention you. If anything, you self-identified. I was the one being called woke. 4for4 called me woke then called just relax woke and a pillar His response was in direct response to what 4for4 said to me. Then you interjected This mcwharton guy makes some good points and some flawed ones. There are plenty of other academics that disagree with him do you also take their opinions Into account? Maybe he should stay out politics and stick with linguistics... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aptosbird Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 13 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: Peter Dinklage doesn't compensate. Are you sure that's not downundermike...he is short too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToastJenkins Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 52 minutes ago, justrelax said: Woke is a shallow term. It’s code for the Cruz and Taylor Green sorts but it has no intrinsic meaning. Woke is for leftists… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc S. Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 This fell out of my garden this morning. Celebrities and Plums...Usually make a sweet marinara and Can it but this year I have some peeps around, try to get as much fresh on the table as I can. Paired with the fresh Basil and Fresh Italian Oregano { love my Herb Garden} should make some nice salads, biscotti drapes and sandwich specials. Cheese and Crackers takes on a whole new meaning after the relish, horseradish then throw some sweet tomato slices on top. Just noodling here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desertbirds Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Utebird said: I was the one being called woke. Not by me 4for4 called me woke then called just relax woke and a pillar I did not respond to that His response was in direct response to what 4for4 said to me. Mine was not Then you interjected I was talking to JR This mcwharton guy makes some good points and some flawed ones. There are plenty of other academics that disagree with him do you also take their opinions Into account? Maybe he should stay out politics and stick with linguistics... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utebird Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 11 minutes ago, BigEFly said: If you knocked on my door, I would have told you I am a pagan and would rather spend eternity in Valhalla with a bunch of drunken Vikings than with a bunch of __________ (fill in the blank for whatever religion was being pushed). Believe me you wouldn't have been the first to tell me that. I met a lady who had about 100 different triangles in her house and told us all about the power of 3. Met another dude who told me he was a tree in his former life. Some people would come to the door completely naked just to mess with us. Another guy told how Jesus was an alien and came down in a space ship Had others say prayers for us and bless the devils out of us. Good times lots of fun memories from that time in my life. to each their own I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToastJenkins Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 36 minutes ago, Utebird said: That's like saying, if you don't like being called an A hole give me an alternative that means the same thing. Woke is a term used by MAGA ALT right, extreme right mainstream right or anyone that can't come up with a better comeback for being ignorant. Want to call me woke go for it, I'd rather be woke than blissfully ignorant. Nor does it have anything to do with denying enlightenment science or free speech. Majority of " woke" people are pro free speech , pro science pro enlightenment. calling the progressive lefts tactics authoritarian is a mein Kampf tactic where one accuses the other side , of what one is already guilty of. Like the left accusing others of every ism under the sun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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