Next_Up Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said: It would be nothing like the XFL. Talent would spread across the new teams. They don’t prevent NFL caliber players from signing with Jacksonville or Carolina just because they’re expansion teams. Do you think it is possible to have a worldwide league without countries worldwide having developmental football programs? The NBA went hard at China in terms of fostering developmental programs when it considered that an expansion market. If you look at Hockey, Baseball, Basketball, and Soccer, they all have a local base around the world and this gives them worldwide potential. Football has a deficit in this sense, I think, and this results in the problem of not generating enough high quality talent. In top of this, the US developmental programs are dwindling because of parental concerns about things like CTE. On the bright side, the travel issue might be addressed in 5-6 years with the reintroduction of hypersonic commercial travel. This would be less than current coast to coast travel, timewise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diehardfan Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 10 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said: It would be nothing like the XFL. Talent would spread across the new teams. They don’t prevent NFL caliber players from signing with Jacksonville or Carolina just because they’re expansion teams. And dilute the product across the board. You proved my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberTheKoy Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 21 minutes ago, mattwill said: Do you even know who the picture is? Do you know who my gif is of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerolithe_Lion Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 16 minutes ago, Next_Up said: Do you think it is possible to have a worldwide league without countries worldwide having developmental football programs? The NBA went hard at China in terms of fostering developmental programs when it considered that an expansion market. If you look at Hockey, Baseball, Basketball, and Soccer, they all have a local base around the world and this gives them worldwide potential. Football has a deficit in this sense, I think, and this results in the problem of not generating enough high quality talent. In top of this, the US developmental programs are dwindling because of parental concerns about things like CTE. On the bright side, the travel issue might be addressed in 5-6 years with the reintroduction of hypersonic commercial travel. This would be less than current coast to coast travel, timewise. If the number of teams got that big, eventually they’d have to have developmental systems in certain areas of the world. Just like Baseball in Japan, Americans brought it there and spread it around so it was a self sustaining sport in that country, now the second most prominent baseball country in the world. The NFL can get away with satellite teams in London, Mexico City, etc, but for a global sport you’re talking about countries with their own individual leagues, which would require their own individual self sustainment. But I don’t think ever can be in most countries, or even as many as BBall or Baseball due to the sheer cost of fielding a team, much less many teams to develop a league. For the CTE thing, there may be fewer high school football players, but that hasn’t reduced the number that go on to college and later the pros… just reduces the amount that play for a few years then go become engineers or accountants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerolithe_Lion Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 26 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: And dilute the product across the board. You proved my point. Anything more than 2 teams is a completely diluted product by your perspective. That doesn’t mean only having 2 teams is a strong league. The NFL today has 32 teams now and it never has been more popular. It’s not about the # of all pros per team, but the competitiveness between them. If we had 36 teams instead of 32, they’d still be the best football players on earth, albeit bottoms of rosters being diluted by some small % Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Next_Up Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 7 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said: If the number of teams got that big, eventually they’d have to have developmental systems in certain areas of the world. Just like Baseball in Japan, Americans brought it there and spread it around so it was a self sustaining sport in that country, now the second most prominent baseball country in the world. The NFL can get away with satellite teams in London, Mexico City, etc, but for a global sport you’re talking about countries with their own individual leagues, which would require their own individual self sustainment. But I don’t think ever can be in most countries, or even as many as BBall or Baseball due to the sheer cost of fielding a team, much less many teams to develop a league. For the CTE thing, there may be fewer high school football players, but that hasn’t reduced the number that go on to college and later the pros… just reduces the amount that play for a few years then go become engineers or accountants. I'm not so sure about your last statement. The high school football program with which I am associated is in a football crazy state. The state that sends the most players to the NFL, per capita and our programs have dropped significantly in the last decade. Like an 80 player varsity squad from 10 years ago is now is the 30s. High schools dropping football is an ongoing national conversation and other sports like lacrosse are beginning to fill the void. I agree that there will likely always be a supply of players, principally from lower socioeconomic communities where families are more okay with the risk/reward ratio but its not just engineers and accountants. https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/texas-high-school-football/ Also, if you look at the economics of it, football is clearly the worst career choice. Shortest span, lowest average pay and so on when coupled with the tradition of a faux college education, it's not the best strategy for parents. Baseball is the best, and you can play basketball, soccer and even hockey in professionally in well paying leagues around the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greendestiny27 Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 3 hours ago, uncphillyfan said: If you have not listened to the latest Ringer/Philly Special pod you are missing out. It is on point about what will shake out day one of the draft. Yeah, he echoed my thinking about Van Ness, no thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattwill Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 32 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said: Do you know who my gif is of? Yes. Sunshine Superman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphagrand Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 32 minutes ago, mattwill said: Yes. Sunshine Superman. I must say, that’s a billion dollar answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diehardfan Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 58 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said: Anything more than 2 teams is a completely diluted product by your perspective. That doesn’t mean only having 2 teams is a strong league. The NFL today has 32 teams now and it never has been more popular. It’s not about the # of all pros per team, but the competitiveness between them. If we had 36 teams instead of 32, they’d still be the best football players on earth, albeit bottoms of rosters being diluted by some small % 200+ new players will be on NFL rosters who shouldn't be there. I'll keep replying as long as you do until you quit. Again, the proof is on my side when looking at the XFL and other leagues because the product sucks. It's the same product on the field in the 4th quarter of preseason games that are horrible to watch. Nasty Nates don't belong in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diehardfan Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Aerolithe_Lion said: It would be nothing like the XFL. Talent would spread across the new teams. They don’t prevent NFL caliber players from signing with Jacksonville or Carolina just because they’re expansion teams. World League failed. XFL failed. Arena failed. Every league failed taking the best players not on NFL rosters and trying to put a product together people could watch. Take those people who suck and throw them on NFL rosters and the talent level and product will go down. It's that simple but you won't get it and I'll just keep posting this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greendestiny27 Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 Sign S Ryan Neal in free agency. It has the same feel to it as last year with us picking up Bradberry from the Giants. A gift out of nowhere. Plus he's 27, played his best ball with Desai and we would be basically set at the position heading into the draft. Should not cost all that much either. https://www.si.com/nfl/eagles/.amp/news/philadelphia-eagles-signing-seahawks-cut-ryan-neal-safety-terrell-edmunds-rumor 24. Nolan Smith EDGE Georgia 48. Calijah Kancey DT Pittsburgh 56. Julius Brents CB Kansas State 67. Joe Tippmann OC Wisconsin 88. Marvin Mims WR Oklahoma 94. Sam LaPorta TE Iowa 108. Isaiah McGuire EDGE Missouri 111. Colby Wooden DT Auburn 121. Ji'Ayir Brown S Penn State 139. Roschon Johnson RB Texas 195. Earl Bostick Jr. OT Kansas 205. Jadon Haselwood WR Arkansas 2024 JAX 2nd 2024 JAX 3rd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wentz_Era Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 5 hours ago, paco said: Is all this NFL in Europe talk payback for soccer taking root here? Soccer took root here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerolithe_Lion Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Diehardfan said: World League failed. XFL failed. Arena failed. Every league failed taking the best players not on NFL rosters and trying to put a product together people could watch. Take those people who suck and throw them on NFL rosters and the talent level and product will go down. It's that simple but you won't get it and I'll just keep posting this. The players in the new teams would be players on nfl rosters, not castoffs in the XFL. That’s the difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diehardfan Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 14 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said: The players in the new teams would be players on nfl rosters, not castoffs in the XFL. That’s the difference No, they are XFL players getting a new job. It's starting soon so you can enjoy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerolithe_Lion Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 11 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: No, they are XFL players getting a new job. It's starting soon so you can enjoy it. As has it always been. Right now we have many teams full of what would have been "XFL” caliber players in the 1970’s. What we have now is only acceptable as nfl talent to you because you’re used to it being nfl talent, as it will be shortly after 36 teams have been around awhile. The nfl has expanded dozens of times, and every time it has made the league wildly more popular and made them insane amounts of money due to increased fan interest and approval, while incrementally diluting the product.. Why is 32 teams acceptable but any number higher too many? Why has every expansion previously hit it out of the park but even just 1 more will lead to their downfall? Why is this specific team number the precipice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaglePhan1986 Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 #freeshocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidrone Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 3 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said: Do you know who my gif is of? Which one Victor Mature or Leezy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK Eagle Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 22 hours ago, DrPhilly said: The key for international taxing is where one is a legal resident. There are strict rules and they vary between countries. The most important criteria is physical presence during a calendar year. Other things like owning property can also play into it. Yeah. You get 90 days across a year over here before certain taxes are due. I can't see a team being based, lock, stock and all here in the UK. They'd need to invest in private jets, team facilities, etc. Would cost the Owners an ish ton of money - can't see Jerry Jones having his pocket lighter for it. 9 hours ago, DrPhilly said: Europe can easily support a couple of teams from a fandom perspective. One in London and the other in Germany. However, it will be a nightmare from a travel perspective both for any Euro based team and also for the other teams that have to travel to Europe. My feeling is that it is best left alone. Same as me. I just don't see a 4 team expansion into Europe as something viable or needed. There is the fan base as you say, but something as simple as Super Bowl timings would need to change to help European fans watch it at a reasonable hour on a Sunday night. Talent wise, the NFL would impinge on Rugby in a big way in the UK. If it was talked about in the morning of 1st April, I'd have thought it was an April Fools Joke and laughed it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Godfather Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 1 hour ago, EaglePhan1986 said: #freeshocker #freeShocker Koy Detmer was the worst qb in Eagles history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godfather Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 16 minutes ago, NOTW said: Glad Gannon is gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggles25 Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 1 hour ago, EaglePhan1986 said: #freeshocker Two in the pink One in the stink Free Shocker From the EMB clink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just relax Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 1 hour ago, pallidrone said: Which one Victor Mature or Leezy? Military press with all of 55 pounds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diehardfan Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 2 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said: As has it always been. Right now we have many teams full of what would have been "XFL” caliber players in the 1970’s. What we have now is only acceptable as nfl talent to you because you’re used to it being nfl talent, as it will be shortly after 36 teams have been around awhile. The nfl has expanded dozens of times, and every time it has made the league wildly more popular and made them insane amounts of money due to increased fan interest and approval, while incrementally diluting the product.. Why is 32 teams acceptable but any number higher too many? Why has every expansion previously hit it out of the park but even just 1 more will lead to their downfall? Why is this specific team number the precipice? We get it XFL fanboy. You don't understandand want 200 more Nasty Nates on teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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