EMB Blog: 2022 Off-Season

[ManuManu]

Eww. 

[Waiting4Someday]

6 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Tough to say.  Go for Carson "The Statue" Strong, Kenny "Baby Trump Hands" Pickett or Malik "Little Wittle School" Willis?  

Don’t forget "Meh” Corral.

[CaliEagle]

Just now, ManuManu said:

Eww. 

No way.  The Eagles have a lot of needs. If we blow our 1sts on Wilson, it will take us about 4 years to get a decent team built up for him and by that time he will be at the end of his career. Jeremiah should know better. Plus, Wilson hasn't been as good since he went Hollywood and he just had a rod put in his hand because of his hand injury.  

[Waiting4Someday]

12 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

I do like Winfrey. I’m a Sooner fan. For our picks…he’s in my opinion a reach in the 2nd, a tinnny reach in the 3rd and potentially a steal in the 4th. Ridgeway is gone, so he’d add good depth with the ability to grow into a starter. I’d be happy with him in the 3rd, ecstatic for him in the 4th. 

Isaiah Thomas good fit here at the 4i, another Sooner as you likely know.

[Green_Guinness]

We'll find out at the Combine about Pickett's hands.  Otherwise he'd probably be the #1 QB in this class and still might be even if his hands measure small.  I expect him to go in the top 10.

I'm not that concerned with Strong being immobile.  As long as he has pocket presence and can make those minor adjustments within the pocket to buy time then that's enough, especially with his arm.  I think too many are enamoured with the dual threat QB, but as had been pointed out that they aren't really successful in the playoffs.  I'd rather have a QB who is good at pre-snaps reads, can see most of the field, can process quick and know where to go with the ball, can go through at least a few progressions, and has that subtle ability to move within the pocket and still make throws.  Give me that guy all day over the dual threat QB.

Totally not a fan of Willis nor of Ridder, though the latter IMO has better upside.  Think both require too much time to develop into quality NFL QBs and need a team like Seattle (if they keep Wilson) to draft them and have them sit a few seasons like Rogers did behind Favre.  I could be wrong, but that's my opinion.

 

[Saltpeter]

I just can't imagine a 40-year-old Russell Wilson being good.

[D-Shiznit]

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

These are the last 3 first round picks made by Howie

Smith (Love him)

Reagor

Dillard

The idea of having 3 first picks is more enticing than the reality of Howie making them. Give me Wilson.

[DawkinsOwnage03]

Don’t want Wilson at all, he won’t want to come here anyway. I’m not giving 3 1’s for a 34 year old diva and we don’t even have the wr talent that he is currently used to.

[The Blackfish]

Lack of Swag IMO, the OG of Swag, Nick Young would be disappointed.  
 

 

 

[Green_Guinness]

1 minute ago, Saltpeter said:

I just can't imagine a 40-year-old Russell Wilson being good.

He has more wear and tear than Brady.  I'd be surprised if he was still playing at age 40.  @CaliEagle is right, IMO, if we give up that much for Wilson that between the loss of draft picks and his impact on our salary cap that it would take a minimum of 3 off-seasons for us to build up a good enough overall roster to be a SB contender and by that time Wilson will be near the end of his final years.  We'd get at most a 2-3 year window with him and then have to start over at the QB position again.  No, he's too old and too beaten up as he has taken hits/sacks with all his running around.  And the biggest issue is his wife and Philly isn't one of their preferred markets to be in.  Plus, it's Howie wanting to make up for missing out on him years ago (and I very much wanted Wilson then as I felt he was a great replacement for Vick in the type of O we were running at the time) and you can't build a future by trying to make up for your past. 

Just no, no, and no.

As Dennis Miller used to say, that's just my opinion, but I could be wrong.

 

[Outlaw]

17 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Isaiah Thomas good fit here at the 4i, another Sooner as you likely know.

Agreed. Think he’s a better fit for our Dline than Winfrey. 

[Outlaw]

For the record, I would not in any way give up our 3 firsts for Russell Wilson. Draft I just did on TDN:

 

 

This is with the idea we get DJ Chark and a S in FA. I think Gardner, Lloyd and Johnson gives you playmakers at all 3 levels of the D. We get our sit for a year and develop QB in Strong. Brandon Brooks replacement in Smith (Kelce is back in my scenario…mainly because I can’t bear the thought of him being gone). Very nice guy for 11 personnel in Ferguson. Nice big bodied possession WR in Ezukanma, a thumping RB in Robinson (with good tread on the tires compared to most Bama RBs), 2 projects at EDGE/CB with big upsides, and a flyer on an athletic S for some depth. 

How much nicer would our WR room look with DeVonta, Chark, Quez, Ezukanma and Ward (resigned)? Bye JJAW and Reagor. 

[FranklinFldEBUpper]

2421

[D-Shiznit]

This made me laugh.

[Green_Guinness]

3 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

2421

Is that how many hours to the NFL draft?

 

[Outlaw]

3 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

Is that how many hours to the NFL draft?

 

Not gonna lie. My mind goes to the draft the minute our season ends…and even before, especially with 5 top 100 picks. 

[D-Shiznit]

The zip on the ball is for real, but he is making too many risky throws, the kind that haunt you in the NFL.

[The Blackfish]

9 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

We'll find out at the Combine about Pickett's hands.  Otherwise he'd probably be the #1 QB in this class and still might be even if his hands measure small.  I expect him to go in the top 10.

I'm not that concerned with Strong being immobile.  As long as he has pocket presence and can make those minor adjustments within the pocket to buy time then that's enough, especially with his arm.  I think too many are enamoured with the dual threat QB, but as had been pointed out that they aren't really successful in the playoffs.  I'd rather have a QB who is good at pre-snaps reads, can see most of the field, can process quick and know where to go with the ball, can go through at least a few progressions, and has that subtle ability to move within the pocket and still make throws.  Give me that guy all day over the dual threat QB.

Totally not a fan of Willis nor of Ridder, though the latter IMO has better upside.  Think both require too much time to develop into quality NFL QBs and need a team like Seattle (if they keep Wilson) to draft them and have them sit a few seasons like Rogers did behind Favre.  I could be wrong, but that's my opinion.

 

He set the protections on almost every play this season, so being in charge of 10 other guys at least let’s you know his hand wasn’t being held by a college coach who wished he was good enough to be a quality NFL QB.  Lincoln Riley, check, Kingsbury, check, Kiffin, check.  Mahomes has been a good QB because Reid benched him for most of rookie season to coach up the good, and coach out the bad.     This supposed great QB class of Lawrence, Wilson, and Fields were all out done in their rookie season by Davis Mills, and Tim Couch, for those old enough to remember which proves colleges aren’t preparing these guys in their BS offensive systems.  Every single high draft pick should of sat on the bench this season. 
  
Sorry for the rant, back to Strong it’s not that he’s completely immobile,  I watched way too many Nevada games this season, and he had at least 4 in a row that his knee was pouring blood. His high school knee surgery ( 4-6) nails put in his knee from a degenerative lesion of some sort, almost ruined his chances to play QB at a Division 1 school.  I also saw a report that last January he had a bone graft done on the same knee that should of kept him out 10 months, but he was back in August.  Also he’s had at least one arthroscopic clean out surgery on that same knee at some point during his time at Nevada.   He was apparently a pretty good HS basketball player which leads me to believe he isn’t Tom Brady, but that knee is a serious concern going forward though. 
His arm strength is comparable to Herberts.
 
 Corral, Willis, and Howell all come in around 6ft tall, Howell became a runner this season out of necessity, he’s much farther ahead of Tribusky coming out.  Willis and Corral are runners, and come from bad offenses.  They’re gonna need some serious coaching to be NFL QB’s, but 2 things I give Corral credit for, he’s got a good arm for a little dude, and he beat up Gretzky’s kid in HS, forcing him to transfer as he was the poor kid.  It’s not Scott Stevens kid, or Joe Carters, but it counts nonetheless. 

[D-Shiznit]

Any word on Tanner McKee? Haven't heard if he is returning or declaring.

[Outlaw]

11 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

He set the protections on almost every play this season, so being in charge of 10 other guys at least let’s you know his hand wasn’t being held by a college coach who wished he was good enough to be a quality NFL QB.  Lincoln Riley, check, Kingsbury, check, Kiffin, check.  Mahomes has been a good QB because Reid benched him for most of rookie season to coach up the good, and coach out the bad.     This supposed great QB class of Lawrence, Wilson, and Fields were all out done in their rookie season by Davis Mills, and Tim Couch, for those old enough to remember which proves colleges aren’t preparing these guys in their BS offensive systems.  Every single high draft pick should of sat on the bench this season. 
  
Sorry for the rant, back to Strong it’s not that he’s completely immobile,  I watched way too many Nevada games this season, and he had at least 4 in a row that his knee was pouring blood. His high school knee surgery ( 4-6) nails put in his knee from a degenerative lesion of some sort, almost ruined his chances to play QB at a Division 1 school.  I also saw a report that last January he had a bone graft done on the same knee that should of kept him out 10 months, but he was back in August.  Also he’s had at least one arthroscopic clean out surgery on that same knee at some point during his time at Nevada.   He was apparently a pretty good HS basketball player which leads me to believe he isn’t Tom Brady, but that knee is a serious concern going forward though. 
His arm strength is comparable to Herberts.
 
 Corral, Willis, and Howell all come in around 6ft tall, Howell became a runner this season out of necessity, he’s much farther ahead of Tribusky coming out.  Willis and Corral are runners, and come from bad offenses.  They’re gonna need some serious coaching to be NFL QB’s, but 2 things I give Corral credit for, he’s got a good arm for a little dude, and he beat up Gretzky’s kid in HS, forcing him to transfer as he was the poor kid.  It’s not Scott Stevens kid, or Joe Carters, but it counts nonetheless. 

The more I hear about this knee, it’s either No drafted QB, Ridder in the 2nd or a Zappe flyer for me. 

[Saltpeter]

 

Man that's nuts. Don't know how they keep him.

[The Blackfish]

3 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

The more I hear about this knee, it’s either No drafted QB, Ridder in the 2nd or a Zappe flyer for me. 

 Jim Nagy the guy who runs the Senior Bowl, of course talked up how Strong back in December, went to the Rams Dr and was apparently given a clean bill of health on that knee.  After that examination, it was 2 full weeks before he decided to skip Nevadas bowl game and enter the draft.  Might just be me, that seemed odd.  
 He didn’t miss a game this season so he gets some credit for that, plus at the Senior Bowl he’s likely to pull a Wentz and really get his name out there because of his arm talent, but once teams get a look at his medicals, that could be his downfall in the draft.   

[The Blackfish]

5 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

 

Man that's nuts. Don't know how they keep him.

 Wasn’t he gonna be the OC for USC or Stanford after TT?  Then NFL teams like the Jets and Cardinals called him?  
 Everyone laughed at me a month ago when I said he should go for the Oklahoma job, I bet he wishes now he did. 

[Outlaw]

3 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

 Jim Nagy the guy who runs the Senior Bowl, of course talked up how Strong back in December, went to the Rams Dr and was apparently given a clean bill of health on that knee.  After that examination, it was 2 full weeks before he decided to skip Nevadas bowl game and enter the draft.  Might just be me, that seemed odd.  
 He didn’t miss a game this season so he gets some credit for that, plus at the Senior Bowl he’s likely to pull a Wentz and really get his name out there because of his arm talent, but once teams get a look at his medicals, that could be his downfall in the draft.   

Just too many red flags for me. I also want a guy who can take off here and there. Doesn’t need to be Lamar or Jalen, just somebody who has the ability to tuck it if need be. Preferably over 6’ tall which knocks out Pickett, Corral, Howell and Willis. Which leaves me just where I said earlier…no QB, Ridder in R2, or a flyer on Zappe. 

[Alphagrand]

7 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Just too many red flags for me. I also want a guy who can take off here and there. Doesn’t need to be Lamar or Jalen, just somebody who has the ability to tuck it if need be. Preferably over 6’ tall which knocks out Pickett, Corral, Howell and Willis. Which leaves me just where I said earlier…no QB, Ridder in R2, or a flyer on Zappe. 

Pickett is 6’3 and 220, it’s just that he’ll be gone before pick #15 and I wouldn’t be in favor of the Eagles trading up for him — there will be another Kenny Pickett available in the 2023 draft.