2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

S3 is essentially a starter because 99% of the time we are in nickel and DeJean wont be at S.

For roster purposes its best not to consider DeJean on the S depth chart.

Mukuba, Epps, Carter, and then 1 of Wis, or Gushiken is probably S4.

Heck, maybe they should keep 5 because Carter is probably our best bet at NB2 as well.

99%?

2 hours ago, Eagles1960 said:

Is Covey going to make the team? Don't see room for him. If not they should have somebody else returning punts next game. They need somebody with experience that will make the team returning punts. I know Covey could be stashed on the PS but he needs to clear waivers first. no team has ever claimed him but some contender that needs a return guy could do it.

I don't see Jake Majors making the team even though he has played well. He will be a tough cut. They have three IOL only guys in reserve counting Morris (who will make the team). They don't need four IOL only guys in reserve.

I have Covey going to the Practice Squad, along with the Long Snapper. It wouldn’t even surprise me if Jake Elliot goes there too. I also have Greenard and Lemon starting the season on the PUP and IR respectively for the first four weeks.

2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Sorta, but it actually matters. Decisions will affect what team they can put on the field.

Whether it is Base or Nickel, what label you give DeJean makes no difference whatsoever on "what team they can put on the field.” None whatsoever.

9 minutes ago, mattwill said:

99%?

Not quite - but it appears that cowboys fans did some counting…

2 hours ago, Waiting4Someday said:

To a point - but you discounted the possibility of drafting Thieneman or EMW because you believe Mukuba and Dejean are our starting safeties in ‘base’.

I did indeed. DeJean needs to be on the field for 100% of the snaps. Would you sit Thieneman or EMW when the team is in Base?

With that asked, two other questions:

(1) In the pecking order of position value/leverage, where does Safety fall in that order? Bottom 25% of all positions?

(2) What do you see as the marginal team performance improvement that either of those rookies give the team over Epps?

3 hours ago, DaBirds said:

This quote feels very A.I. to me

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It 100% is. Back to back Super Bowl doesn’t even make sense. But these no name twitter accounts need likes and need to be posted here for some reason

40 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I was off twitter for a while and went back and it’s the same Like needy people posting cheerleader stuff. I get the people who are trying to make money but to post stuff just to feed an insecurity seems sad to me. But I’m a different generation. Whatever works for you I suppose

Sorry my bad. I scrolled Twitter, posted various Eagles stuff I saw. I didn't fact check & vet the quote.

He did say something similar when asked about other NFL receivers getting their contracts.

Just now, mattwill said:

I did indeed. DeJean needs to be on the field for 100% of the snaps. Would you sit Thieneman or EMW when the team is in Base?

With that asked, two other questions:

(1) In the pecking order of position value/leverage, where does Safety fall in that order? Bottom 25% of all positions?

(2) What do you see as the marginal team performance improvement that either of those rookies give the team over Epps?

Yes, I’d sit either Mukuba or Thieneman/EMW in ‘base’ situations which made up less than 25% of the snaps last season.

Is Jordan Davis not as valuable because he’s used situationally? (60% of snaps)

1) Every position is important, some cost more than others. I don’t think anyone would discount the value that Seattle’s EMW provided to their defense.

2) Maybe a lot, especially against the better offenses that are capable of attacking the weakest link of the defense.

41 minutes ago, mattwill said:

99%?

97? Something like that.

31 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Not quite - but it appears that cowboys fans did some counting…

Talking real numbers rather than percentages isnt it something like 3-6 plays per game they would be in "base" where DeJean plays safety? Its something miniscule.

2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Lets say we keep DeJean on the roster as a S for some reason....

So safeties are DeJean, Mukuba, Epps, Carter

But DeJean gets injured, and Carter fills in at nickel.

Now you are down to 2 safeties on the depth chart- Epps, and Mukuba. And you have no backups. (by the way, both of those guys are injury prone too)

Calling that semantics does not help the dire situation the team will find itself in on the field.

You need to call DeJean what he is, the nickel, and keep at least one extra safety because of that.

Then, if Carter is the first man up at nickel in case of injury to DeJean, you may want to keep yet another safety because of that.

The depth chart should probably have S, and NB as different positions in order to make sure you have enough for each position. Semantics? Or just logical?

It should be

S- Mukuba, Epps, Wis, Gushiken

CB/S or NB (whatever you want to call it)- DeJean, Carter

CB- Mitchell, Woolen, Jones, Trash

All reasonable thoughts, but the fatal flaw in your thinking is that you are seeing it through zero-sum / single-threaded eyes. DeJean will be listed in both positions, not just one. Carter will be too. Gush appears to have potential for both. Pulley does as well.

You are also making your analysis based on DeJean getting injured. That’s a glass half empty approach IMO. I’m not as pessimistic as you are.

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

The Dalton trade was always a head scratcher for me. The only value I ever saw in it was the option to trade McKee for a better return than they gave up for Dalton, but it seems McKee is destined to play out his contract with the Eagles at this point. I don’t like Dalton at all as a #2 and don’t see him putting any wins together if Hurts gets injured.

He’ll be cut at the end of camp and I’d frankly be a bit disappointed if he’s brought back to the PS.

How much do you value his "coach/mentor on the field” attributes?

25 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Yes, I’d sit either Mukuba or Thieneman/EMW in ‘base’ situations which made up less than 25% of the snaps last season.

Is Jordan Davis not as valuable because he’s used situationally? (60% of snaps)

1) Every position is important, some cost more than others. I don’t think anyone would discount the value that Seattle’s EMW provided to their defense.

2) Maybe a lot, especially against the better offenses that are capable of attacking the weakest link of the defense.

Thank you for your thoughts. I agree with your "maybe.”

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Talking real numbers rather than percentages isnt it something like 3-6 plays per game they would be in "base" where DeJean plays safety? Its something miniscule.

Figure 60-70 snaps per game, so between 15 and 18 in base. And in games where the Eagles build a lead the percentages of base in the 1st Half will be higher than the percentages of base in the 2nd Half.

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5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Talking real numbers rather than percentages isnt it something like 3-6 plays per game they would be in "base" where DeJean plays safety? Its something miniscule.

I figure last year, Dejean played the boundary in base - so yes, his safety snaps would’ve been a subset of that subpackage (minuscule). The ~25% I cited is likely the absolute max that we’d see this season. It’s very possible that Woolen is pushed to the bench in short yardage, versus heavy packages, etc. and that number could be significantly less (again).

This is beautiful. Look at Kendall on this play at LG too!

6 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Thank you for your thoughts. I agree with your "maybe.”

We went through a whole era where LB and Nickel was given very little priority… things change.

24 minutes ago, mattwill said:

All reasonable thoughts, but the fatal flaw in your thinking is that you are seeing it through zero-sum / single-threaded eyes. DeJean will be listed in both positions, not just one. Carter will be too. Gush appears to have potential for both. Pulley does as well.

You are also making your analysis based on DeJean getting injured. That’s a glass half empty approach IMO. I’m not as pessimistic as you are.

Well, you have to be prepared. The entire league keeps backups on the roster. The reason for depth is what? Injury...

19 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Figure 60-70 snaps per game, so between 15 and 18 in base. And in games where the Eagles build a lead the percentages of base in the 1st Half will be higher than the percentages of base in the 2nd Half.

60-70 snaps per game is Rich Gannon defense.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

Well, you have to be prepared. The entire league keeps backups on the roster. The reason for depth is what? Injury...

Depth is also for player development. And depth is spread across all positions. if you go heavy as you propose in Safety, what offsetting position do you go light on?

16 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

This is beautiful. Look at Kendall on this play at LG too!

Ill take credit for my brilliance last year saying Kendall can work at guard even though he is undersized. I said that would have been the way to get the best OL on the field.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

60-70 snaps per game is Rich Gannon defense.

60-70 snaps per game is pretty close to the NFL average.

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

Depth is also for player development. And depth is spread across all positions. if you go heavy as you propose in Safety, what offsetting position do you go light on?

My scenario gave us 10 players in the secondary. That doesnt seem heavy to me. It was 6 CBs and 4 safeties. If anything, heavy on CB but that becomes a necessity when you create that extra hybrid position for DeJean.

We had it with Corey Graham and had no backup for him which hurt the defense when no one could fill his role when he missed time.

3 minutes ago, mattwill said:

60-70 snaps per game is pretty close to the NFL average.

That sounds very wrong. The eagles were on the field for 70 snaps against SF in 2021 and everyone was disgusted by that fact. Moreover pointed to that fact as part of the downfall of the defense when that happened during "the gauntlet" of tough teams. Then the team collapsed. The defense was pathetic in that game and pretty much every week after.

If the defense is on the field anywhere near 70 snaps absolutely no one is going to feel the performance was average. Theyll be calling for heads to roll.