11 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

No, wait until overreaction Monday is over. 

On the bright side (for the board), lots of guests will visit to see the reactions. Lots of guests means money for the board. Money for the board means we live (as a board) to see other days.

Hurts has regressed. Only a fool would argue otherwise.

 

The salient question is whether it's Hurts himself or if it is Brian Johnson.

I just want the $50 million franchise QB to play better than the dude getting a fraction of that leading other teams.

Jalen Hurts got outplayed by Drew Lock tonight. That should disgust everyone.

I’m usually one of the last holdouts on the bandwagon as far as the Eagles playoff chances, but this team looks done.  There just isn’t anything there to give that hasn’t been given already.  AJ Brown and DeVonta Smith are doing the best they can to prop up poor QB play, the DL cannot get to the QB even against weak OL groups, and this was a game the other team was desperately trying to give away, but the Eagles said "Nope — we can screw this one up instead”

— Did Hurts complete a pass over 10 yards all night?  Their DBs were blowing up every hitch route at the LOS, yet no one thought maybe a pump-and-go might be a good idea?

— Lots of really inaccurate throws, even on completions.  Just not giving guys a chance for YAC yards.

— The defense gave up a 92-yard game-losing drive to Drew Lock with him only having one timeout left, and never having to use it.  Unbelievable.

— Drew Lock objectively outplayed Jalen Hurts tonight.  That’s how bad Hurts has been over the past 3-4 weeks, and he’s only getting worse.

— I scolded folks on here last week for doubting the Eagles could beat the Giants or Cardinals.  Right now, they don’t look like they care.  

thank you Dgunn. Been saying that for four weeks now. 

 

Just now, ManuManu said:

I’m also right. 

no. but youre not willing to admit youre wrong so whatever. 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It’s why i said Patricia isn’t some savior. The biggest issue the eagles have on defense is their personnel isn’t good. They got names but they aren’t playing to that name level. And they downgraded across the board with two DCs that shown they aren’t very good. Reason why Patricia in the last 5 years he was in charge of the defense/HC had dvoa’s of 16, 32, 31, 24 and 28. I don’t care that they fired desai. More that their personnel is by FAR their biggest problem on defense 

That’s why I’m almost willing to give the defense a pass tonight.  If the defense had as much talent in the secondary as this team has receivers, this game would have been a near shutout for us.

 The real concern is why can’t this offense score points with TWO tier 1 WR’s, a tier 1 TE, a tier 1 offensive line and a very good RB?  And top 5-10 QB? 

 Week Fifteen / Game Fourteen Prediction results

And then there were three!  Losses that is.  There was one clear winner of the chicken dinner this week ... @mayanh8 with a predicted score of Eagles 17 Seahawks 19 ... just one point off the actual score.   @EaglePhan1986 was the runnerup this week ... only 3 points off the actual Eagles score (he predicted 14 rather than 17) and spot on the Seahawks score of 20.

For the first thirteen games the chicken dinner has gone to:
@Alphagrand in Week One where the 66 recorded predictions were 65 for an Eagles win and 1 for a Patriots win
@Iggles25 and @bbabraham in Week Two where the 71 recorded predictions were 56 for an Eagles win and 15 for a Vikings win
@Cliftoma in Week Three where the 77 recorded predictions were 73 for an Eagles win and 4 for a Buccaneers win
@Casey @ Bat in Week Four where the 75 recorded predictions were 72 for an Eagles win and 3 for a Commanders win
@Mike030270 and @Texas Eagle in Week Five where the 78 recorded predictions were 63 for an Eagles win and 15 for a Rams win
@GoEagles5921 in Week Six where the 82 recorded predictions were 79 for an Eagles win and 3 for a Jets win
@jwill2420 and @mattwill in Week Seven where the 76 recorded predictions were 46 for an Eagles win and 30 for a Dolphins win
@Mortimer in Week Eight where the 70 recorded predictions were 66 for an Eagles win and 4 for a Commanders win
@Uscg-green in Week Nine where the 77 recorded predictions were 64 for an Eagles win and 13 for a Cowboys win
@Captain F in Week Eleven where the 86 recorded predictions were 53 for an Eagles win and 31 for a Chiefs win, and 2 were for a tie
@paco and @Mortimer in Week Twelve where the 88 recorded predictions were 74 for an Eagles win and 14 for a Bills win
@dawkins4prez in Week Thirteen where the 100 recorded predictions were 70 for an Eagles win and 29 for a Niners win and 1 with no score
@ManchesterEagle and @Giggity_goo in Week Fourteen where the 96 recorded predictions were 54 for an Eagles win and 42 for a Cowboys win, and
@mayanh8 in Week Fifteen where where the 81 recorded predictions were 60 for an Eagles win and 20 for a Seahawks win and 1 for a tie.

The Bonus pick results this week had the following winners:

@Ace Nova with "Hurts 2 total TD’s"
@B3 with "Hurts with two rushing TDs"
@Godfather with "QB1 continues to be a turnover machine"
@LacesOut with "I smell a 3 game losing streak"
@paco with 
@Swoop with "Hurts with another turnover "
@LeanMeanGM with "Penny revenge game! We've been saving him all season for this moment. Penny finishes the game with 0 carries for 0 yards "

Honorable Mention goes to

@DrPhilly who was half right with "Hurts with two rushing TDs, one in the last 5 mins that ultimately wins the game."

Here are the 81 predictions in score order

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

thank you Dgunn. Been saying that for four weeks now. 

 

The plays are there to be made almost every play.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

thank you Dgunn. Been saying that for four weeks now. 

 

It can absolutely be both.

I think it's personnel on defense more than the offense.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

thank you Dgunn. Been saying that for four weeks now. 

 

We complained about Gannon. Then Desai. Now Patricia. There’s only one constant and that’s the players. It’s the players on defense and the coordinator on offense. Hurts has a lot of the blame but anyone can tell this is a college schemed offense. 

It's definitely both. The defensive line issues are not personnel. This line was awesome for weeks and then completely disappeared. I don't want to hear they're tired, this is the NFL, suck it up. Seattle's OL stinks and it was Drew Lock. How they got next to no pressure in this game was a Fing joke. And even if you wanted to use fatigue as an excuse, that's on the staff for not rotating other guys in more.

The most annoying this about this is it doesn't feel like they're in a funk, it feels like they've been figured out. I don't think this team is going to "get on a roll" even if they win the next 3 games. I just don't think they're very good and haven't been all year. They've never looked good.

We have one of the most talented rosters in the NFL, but sure it’s not the coordinators. 

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

It's definitely both. The defensive line issues are not personnel. This line was awesome for weeks and then completely disappeared. I don't want to hear they're tired, this is the NFL, suck it up. Seattle's OL stinks and it was Drew Lock. How they got next to no pressure in this game was a Fing joke. And even if you wanted to use fatigue as an excuse, that's on the staff for not rotating other guys in more.

The most annoying this about this is it doesn't feel like they're in a funk, it feels like they've been figured out. I don't think this team is going to "get on a roll" even if they win the next 3 games. I just don't think they're very good and haven't been all year. They've never looked good.

This is pretty close to the way I feel as well. 

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It’s why i said Patricia isn’t some savior. The biggest issue the eagles have on defense is their personnel isn’t good. They got names but they aren’t playing to that name level. And they downgraded across the board with two DCs that shown they aren’t very good. Reason why Patricia in the last 5 years he was in charge of the defense/HC had dvoa’s of 16, 32, 31, 24 and 28. I don’t care that they fired desai. More that their personnel is by FAR their biggest problem on defense. It’s not getting fixed til the offseason. 

Other than them deciding Desai was completely incompetent, maybe Sirianni and Co are starting to divorce themselves of the Fangio-type defense that is getting exposed around the league. 

1 minute ago, WentzFan11 said:

We have one of the most talented rosters in the NFL, but sure it’s not the coordinators. 

Offensively we certainly have one of the most talented rosters. We have very little defensive talent in our back 7. Slay is playing well, and I think Blankenship is fine. Other than that… old man Byard, a cooked Bradberry, a scrap heap nickel, zilch at linebacker. 

It’s also weird how Nick is almost identically copying Doug’s tenure. Average first year, Super Bowl in year two, regression year three. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

thank you Dgunn. Been saying that for four weeks now. 

 

Its a different story for both sides of the ball. Offense is players. Offense scores a heck of a lot more points if individuals are not fumbling or throwing INTs in the red zone. At the goal line even. OL is still very good. But not as good as it used to be. RB slightly downgraded this year as well.

Defense is more about the coordinator. Though you can argue personnel here and there. As we all know, we came in to the season with 0 LBs on the roster. But its been a coordinator issue all year long. 

8 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

The plays are there to be made almost every play.

How many tackles did we break on offense tonight? How many did we miss on defense? How many clean pass rush wins did our front 4 get?

12 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

no. but youre not willing to admit youre wrong so whatever. 

Pot meet kettle. 

37 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I want to point out again

The disgusted reaction Hurts gave when Jake Elliott sent the game to OT on a 60 yard FG stands out even more now when you see how Hurts tried to steal the headlines tonight instead of letting his kicker take care of business again. Selfish player putting a losing stink on the team slowly but surely. Very Wentzish. 

I don't think Hurts was being selfish.  He just wants to win.  Problem is he's not very good as a pocket, drop back and read a defense type of QB.

Kelce was shaking his head too when Elliott made that FG.  I think both their reactions were saying this shouldn't be happening.....we should be losing this game with how poorly we're playing yet Elliott hits a long FG to tie it.

The Eagles as an organization go through a perpetual cycle of:

Are really good

Think their crap don't stink, get really arrogant, and allow their arrogance to hurt the team

Team slowly regresses until they hit rock bottom over the course of a few seasons

Get motivated again, re-evaluate, and then build it back up

Become really good again

Repeat the process

 

They lost both coordinators, lost a lot of players from last year's team and decided to go dumpster diving to replace a lot of the players and on offense bring in no outside voices, and on defense stick with the same Fangio style defense because that's the latest Eagles obsession--another thing they go through a perpetual cycle with. Fixating on random things and beating it to death.

Fire Sirianni and hire Press Taylor as HC 

13 minutes ago, RLC said:

It can absolutely be both.

I think it's personnel on defense more than the offense.

It’s 100% personnel on the defensive side. They have the same issues. They are old, slow and guys who aren’t old and slow are young and inexperienced. Frankly, they also lack playmakers. Who out there can you say is a playmaker for them on the back 7? There’s literally nothing in the back seven. Don’t give me reed. He’s not a playmaker. He is a solid safety. He’s not CJGJ, who could get a plethora of picks in a season. That’s not his game. He occasionally gets a turnover but he’s not a playmaker like CJGJ is.

on offense  I think this comes down to hurts has significantly regressed over the last 3 weeks and frankly this season in general. Your offensive line is still not playing as well as it has the past couple seasons. You can’t run the football consistently. And your offense is similar to what Doug went through after the Super Bowl where it was pretty bland with little creativity and just running same concepts over and over hoping your guys beat their guys.

I said this a couple weeks ago if you only have three receiving weapons on offense with no complimentary pieces behind them it makes you easier to defend. I said earlier in the year they are way too over-reliant on AJ Brown. He was essentially their only thing working in the passing game for a while. It was him or it looked bad. Again they lack depth behind them. So it’s useless to run plays for anyone else when throwing. I think for a good DC it makes their life easier knowing it can only be going to 3 guys. And goedert was out, just 2. The offense fundamentally needs better depth, need to use more motion, run the ball from under center and not dial up down the field shots when not needed. They did the same stupid big play down field vs. Dallas and it nearly bit them in the ass before the bye. 

15 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

That’s why I’m almost willing to give the defense a pass tonight.  If the defense had as much talent in the secondary as this team has receivers, this game would have been a near shutout for us.

 The real concern is why can’t this offense score points with TWO tier 1 WR’s, a tier 1 TE, a tier 1 offensive line and a very good RB?  And top 5-10 QB? 

Maybe we don't have a top 5-10 QB.